<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: An Open Letter to the Dialogue Board</title>
	<atom:link href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/</link>
	<description>Truth Will Prevail</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:57:21 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: richard sherlock</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-115387</link>
		<dc:creator>richard sherlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-115387</guid>
		<description>There is something different about Dialogue than other types of journals . I don&#039;t think this should exist but it does. Take two scholarly journal  M ( for mormon ) and N ( for non-mormon).  Suppose it is a scholarly social science journal and I publish research rigorously peer reviewed showing that daycare is bad for children under 4.  Suppose I publish in N and the very next article , subject to the same review  shows that gay parenting  is not psychologically or medically harmful to a child I am not ostracized or criticized for &quot; associating with &quot;  wrong views or people. But if I publ;ish the same reasearch with some additional &quot;church &quot; oriented material in Dialogue and the next article argues that the B of M is a 19th century text because of various wel;l stated reasons I am criticized for association with that view , which I personally reject.  If Lynn Wardle published an article in a law review and the next article argued that gays have a constitutional right to marriage. Lynn is not found guilty of associating with such a journal or view. If Dialogue is scholarly journal why is it thought different? If it is a platform for one view or another say so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something different about Dialogue than other types of journals . I don&#8217;t think this should exist but it does. Take two scholarly journal  M ( for mormon ) and N ( for non-mormon).  Suppose it is a scholarly social science journal and I publish research rigorously peer reviewed showing that daycare is bad for children under 4.  Suppose I publish in N and the very next article , subject to the same review  shows that gay parenting  is not psychologically or medically harmful to a child I am not ostracized or criticized for &#8221; associating with &#8221;  wrong views or people. But if I publ;ish the same reasearch with some additional &#8220;church &#8221; oriented material in Dialogue and the next article argues that the B of M is a 19th century text because of various wel;l stated reasons I am criticized for association with that view , which I personally reject.  If Lynn Wardle published an article in a law review and the next article argued that gays have a constitutional right to marriage. Lynn is not found guilty of associating with such a journal or view. If Dialogue is scholarly journal why is it thought different? If it is a platform for one view or another say so.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: g.wesley</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-112866</link>
		<dc:creator>g.wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-112866</guid>
		<description>As for the stigma: I recently submitted an article to Dialogue at a friend&#039;s suggestion. Until then I was largely unfamiliar with the journal and its reputation. Soon after submitting, one of my employers (a Classics professor at BYU), stated that he himself would never submit to Dialogue (unaware that I had done so), because it&#039;s not an academic journal. Later, one of my coworkers (a Comparative Studies graduate student at BYU) refered to Dialogue as &#039;Korihor Press.&#039; This caused me some regret, but the deciding factor came in the fall 2005 issue. With its lengthy treatment of polygamy and several articles on homosexuality the issue evidenced what seemed to me an innordinate preocupation. I wanted to retract. The conclusion of this story is that one of my reviewers (a member of the Joseph Smith Paper&#039;s Project) took me to task, and I bowed out. From my limited experience, there is a definite Dialogue stigma among some of the faculty and graduate students at BYU, which seems to be stating the obvious. I leave it to Dialogue to decide whether it should care about this stigma and how to reverse it. To Levi Peterson, let me say that, for what it&#039;s worth, from our communication during the review process, the few of your editorials that I have read, and your comment above, I get the impression that you are an honest, careful and rather objective editor. By way of feedback on the fall 2005 issue, in my opinion homosexuality recieves far more press than it deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the stigma: I recently submitted an article to Dialogue at a friend&#8217;s suggestion. Until then I was largely unfamiliar with the journal and its reputation. Soon after submitting, one of my employers (a Classics professor at BYU), stated that he himself would never submit to Dialogue (unaware that I had done so), because it&#8217;s not an academic journal. Later, one of my coworkers (a Comparative Studies graduate student at BYU) refered to Dialogue as &#8216;Korihor Press.&#8217; This caused me some regret, but the deciding factor came in the fall 2005 issue. With its lengthy treatment of polygamy and several articles on homosexuality the issue evidenced what seemed to me an innordinate preocupation. I wanted to retract. The conclusion of this story is that one of my reviewers (a member of the Joseph Smith Paper&#8217;s Project) took me to task, and I bowed out. From my limited experience, there is a definite Dialogue stigma among some of the faculty and graduate students at BYU, which seems to be stating the obvious. I leave it to Dialogue to decide whether it should care about this stigma and how to reverse it. To Levi Peterson, let me say that, for what it&#8217;s worth, from our communication during the review process, the few of your editorials that I have read, and your comment above, I get the impression that you are an honest, careful and rather objective editor. By way of feedback on the fall 2005 issue, in my opinion homosexuality recieves far more press than it deserves.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-111877</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-111877</guid>
		<description>I live in Provo, I teach (non-tenure track) at both BYU and UVSC. I have occasionally used Dialogue (and BYU Studies and FARMS Review) in both university and ward classes (in SS, BYU Studies was more relevant during the year we studied Heber J. Grant, Dialogue more so during this McKay year, I don&#039;t  yet know about the upcoming &#039;06 lessons with Wilford Woodruff. I&#039;ll be searching the on-line archives of both publications). 

I think Dialogue has less of an image problem than is suggested by some of the above posts, although at the same time I agree Dialogue could benefit from a wider range of viewpoints (as could BYU Studies and FARMS). 

I&#039;m a generally conservative person with generally conservative employers living in a generally politically conservative location and attending a generally conservative ward. I&#039;ve never sensed any complaint about my use of Dialogue in a class, although given the increasing emphasis on using only the manual in church classes, I am more cautious in my use at church of any Mormon Studies publications. 
There have been a couple of suggestions above that publishing in Dialogue can be a negative for a BYU-bound professor. I haven&#039;t published in Dialogue, but I&#039;ve discussed the topic of &quot;how to maximize job chances at BYU&quot;  over the last few years with several people at BYU. My sense is that in most departments (including history, sociology, languages, theatre) publishing in Dialogue is not a negative, and I think each of those departments you can find BYU professors (before and after tenure) publishing in Dialogue (and BYU Studies). However, apparently there are English department faculty who have heard that publishing in Dialogue can be a negative. At the same time, there are English professors who publish there. If you&#039;ve followed BYU&#039;s academic freedom issues over the last decade, it won&#039;t be a surprise to learn that the English department may receive a greater level of scrutiny than other departments. 

Best wishes to Dialogue (and to BYU Studies and FARMS, both of which in some ways face challenges similar to those of Dialogue ).
Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Provo, I teach (non-tenure track) at both BYU and UVSC. I have occasionally used Dialogue (and BYU Studies and FARMS Review) in both university and ward classes (in SS, BYU Studies was more relevant during the year we studied Heber J. Grant, Dialogue more so during this McKay year, I don&#8217;t  yet know about the upcoming &#8217;06 lessons with Wilford Woodruff. I&#8217;ll be searching the on-line archives of both publications). </p>
<p>I think Dialogue has less of an image problem than is suggested by some of the above posts, although at the same time I agree Dialogue could benefit from a wider range of viewpoints (as could BYU Studies and FARMS). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a generally conservative person with generally conservative employers living in a generally politically conservative location and attending a generally conservative ward. I&#8217;ve never sensed any complaint about my use of Dialogue in a class, although given the increasing emphasis on using only the manual in church classes, I am more cautious in my use at church of any Mormon Studies publications.<br />
There have been a couple of suggestions above that publishing in Dialogue can be a negative for a BYU-bound professor. I haven&#8217;t published in Dialogue, but I&#8217;ve discussed the topic of &#8220;how to maximize job chances at BYU&#8221;  over the last few years with several people at BYU. My sense is that in most departments (including history, sociology, languages, theatre) publishing in Dialogue is not a negative, and I think each of those departments you can find BYU professors (before and after tenure) publishing in Dialogue (and BYU Studies). However, apparently there are English department faculty who have heard that publishing in Dialogue can be a negative. At the same time, there are English professors who publish there. If you&#8217;ve followed BYU&#8217;s academic freedom issues over the last decade, it won&#8217;t be a surprise to learn that the English department may receive a greater level of scrutiny than other departments. </p>
<p>Best wishes to Dialogue (and to BYU Studies and FARMS, both of which in some ways face challenges similar to those of Dialogue ).<br />
Jeff</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-111796</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-111796</guid>
		<description>Aaron: Tell Elder Packard that I said, &quot;Hi.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron: Tell Elder Packard that I said, &#8220;Hi.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Aaron Brown</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-111795</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-111795</guid>
		<description>Nate, your letter has recently been the subject of some interesting discussion on a certain email list that I subscribe to.  Alas, the price of admission to the list was to take an oath in blood that I would not reveal its contents to the uninitiated, so all I can do is hint at what went down in ominous and hushed tones.

Aaron B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, your letter has recently been the subject of some interesting discussion on a certain email list that I subscribe to.  Alas, the price of admission to the list was to take an oath in blood that I would not reveal its contents to the uninitiated, so all I can do is hint at what went down in ominous and hushed tones.</p>
<p>Aaron B</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Frank McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-111791</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-111791</guid>
		<description>Was this during your Church court?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this during your Church court?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-111790</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-111790</guid>
		<description>BTW: Two members of my bishopric and the high-priest group leader in my ward all mentioned to me last Sunday that they had noticed or heard that I had something in Dialogue.  None of them seem to regard it as anything other than an amusing detail for light conversation, which suggests that perhaps there is no issue here after all.  At least no issue in the Wakefield Ward of the Annandale Stake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: Two members of my bishopric and the high-priest group leader in my ward all mentioned to me last Sunday that they had noticed or heard that I had something in Dialogue.  None of them seem to regard it as anything other than an amusing detail for light conversation, which suggests that perhaps there is no issue here after all.  At least no issue in the Wakefield Ward of the Annandale Stake.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-111786</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-111786</guid>
		<description>&quot;And I think the point is well takenâ€“Iâ€™ve read some nice articles in BYU Studies as well as some glorified sacrament meeting talks. The journal doesnâ€™t look like itâ€™s flooded with sophisticated, interesting scholarship that Dialogue would be getting instead if Dialogue were only more orthodox.&quot;

Jeremiah: I think that this is right.  At the end of the day, the biggest problem that ALL academic (or quasi-academic) journals face is that 80 to 90 percent of everything is just not that good.  I certainly don&#039;t think that anyone who can publish a good Mormon-studies article in a non-Mormon journal should consider publishing in BYU Studies or Dialogue.  However, if the best stuff that can moves increasingly into non-Mormon fora&#039;s, what will be left in the exclusively Mormon fora will increasingly be the inside-baseball stuff that tends to hit closer to theological fault lines.  It seems to me that this means that Dialogue should be more rather than less concerned about its positioning with in the market.  It seems to me that the demographic that will strongly identify with a journal largely modeled on the faithful opposition model is shrinking fast.  My (admittedly ad hoc and anecdotal) sense is that younger Mormon intellectuals simply aren&#039;t as interested in this approach and will tune out fora that they think are primarily defined in these terms.  In other words, Dialogue&#039;s benefit in repositioning itself is that it gets to tap into the next generation of readers.  At some point in the not horribly distant future for better or for worse, a large chunk of those who strongly identify with the Dialogue brand of the late 1980s through mid-1990s or so will be dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And I think the point is well takenâ€“Iâ€™ve read some nice articles in BYU Studies as well as some glorified sacrament meeting talks. The journal doesnâ€™t look like itâ€™s flooded with sophisticated, interesting scholarship that Dialogue would be getting instead if Dialogue were only more orthodox.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeremiah: I think that this is right.  At the end of the day, the biggest problem that ALL academic (or quasi-academic) journals face is that 80 to 90 percent of everything is just not that good.  I certainly don&#8217;t think that anyone who can publish a good Mormon-studies article in a non-Mormon journal should consider publishing in BYU Studies or Dialogue.  However, if the best stuff that can moves increasingly into non-Mormon fora&#8217;s, what will be left in the exclusively Mormon fora will increasingly be the inside-baseball stuff that tends to hit closer to theological fault lines.  It seems to me that this means that Dialogue should be more rather than less concerned about its positioning with in the market.  It seems to me that the demographic that will strongly identify with a journal largely modeled on the faithful opposition model is shrinking fast.  My (admittedly ad hoc and anecdotal) sense is that younger Mormon intellectuals simply aren&#8217;t as interested in this approach and will tune out fora that they think are primarily defined in these terms.  In other words, Dialogue&#8217;s benefit in repositioning itself is that it gets to tap into the next generation of readers.  At some point in the not horribly distant future for better or for worse, a large chunk of those who strongly identify with the Dialogue brand of the late 1980s through mid-1990s or so will be dead.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-111781</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-111781</guid>
		<description>Clark: It is hard to tell.  My sense is that Dialogue realizes that they have a problem, but that their single biggest issue is the manuscripts that come through the door -- it is a chicken and egg thing.  On the other hand, there are some things that Dialogue has done that were clearly editorial decisions, such as the war-and-piece-a-thon a while back, or their strange facination of late with Quakers. (Note: I don&#039;t think that my post has anything to do with the current attitude of Dialogue editors.  They are a smart group of people and can more or less see the obvious.)

It also hard to know, because you never can tell what is solicited and what is simply submitted.  I am guessing that the solicititation process is likely to veer &quot;left&quot; (with the usual caveats about the impercision of that word) simply because those are the sorts of people that Levi Peterson et al are likely to know and who are likely to submit stuff as a favor when asked.  Without more inside knowledge than I have, however, this is nothing more than idle speculation on my part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark: It is hard to tell.  My sense is that Dialogue realizes that they have a problem, but that their single biggest issue is the manuscripts that come through the door &#8212; it is a chicken and egg thing.  On the other hand, there are some things that Dialogue has done that were clearly editorial decisions, such as the war-and-piece-a-thon a while back, or their strange facination of late with Quakers. (Note: I don&#8217;t think that my post has anything to do with the current attitude of Dialogue editors.  They are a smart group of people and can more or less see the obvious.)</p>
<p>It also hard to know, because you never can tell what is solicited and what is simply submitted.  I am guessing that the solicititation process is likely to veer &#8220;left&#8221; (with the usual caveats about the impercision of that word) simply because those are the sorts of people that Levi Peterson et al are likely to know and who are likely to submit stuff as a favor when asked.  Without more inside knowledge than I have, however, this is nothing more than idle speculation on my part.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jeremiah J.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/an-open-letter-to-the-idialoguei-board/#comment-111780</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">/?p=2510#comment-111780</guid>
		<description>Ben S.: Miranda asked &#039;where?&#039; not &#039;who?&#039;.  And I think the point is well taken--I&#039;ve read some nice articles in BYU Studies as well as some glorified sacrament meeting talks.  The journal doesn&#039;t look like it&#039;s flooded with sophisticated, interesting scholarship that Dialogue would be getting instead if Dialogue were only more orthodox.  As Nate points out, some of the *very* best stuff is now making its way into good non-Mormon publications.  But Dialogue shouldn&#039;t hope to steal away pieces from Harvard Theological Review by featuring Midgely and Peterson (all due respect to both scholars).  &quot;Expand your audience&quot; may seem to be good advice for everyone at first blush, but people don&#039;t read a journal or submit to a journal simply because a journal is addressed to them.  It also has to be good.  The marketing principle that wherever you expand to, you are going to encounter competitors (frequently entrenched competitors), seems appropriate here. 

Nate&#039;s description of Dialogue seems quite accurate to me.  But his solution seems half-hearted since it doesn&#039;t convince me that it will really help Dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben S.: Miranda asked &#8216;where?&#8217; not &#8216;who?&#8217;.  And I think the point is well taken&#8211;I&#8217;ve read some nice articles in BYU Studies as well as some glorified sacrament meeting talks.  The journal doesn&#8217;t look like it&#8217;s flooded with sophisticated, interesting scholarship that Dialogue would be getting instead if Dialogue were only more orthodox.  As Nate points out, some of the *very* best stuff is now making its way into good non-Mormon publications.  But Dialogue shouldn&#8217;t hope to steal away pieces from Harvard Theological Review by featuring Midgely and Peterson (all due respect to both scholars).  &#8220;Expand your audience&#8221; may seem to be good advice for everyone at first blush, but people don&#8217;t read a journal or submit to a journal simply because a journal is addressed to them.  It also has to be good.  The marketing principle that wherever you expand to, you are going to encounter competitors (frequently entrenched competitors), seems appropriate here. </p>
<p>Nate&#8217;s description of Dialogue seems quite accurate to me.  But his solution seems half-hearted since it doesn&#8217;t convince me that it will really help Dialogue.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
<!-- WP Super Cache is installed but broken. The path to wp-cache-phase1.php in wp-content/advanced-cache.php must be fixed! -->
