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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/07/interracial-marriage/#comment-98603</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 05:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main reason that interracial dating/marriage is still considered wrong, it that many people feel that God created three genetically different races of the human species: black, white, and asian, and if He wanted us to interbreed, then we would not be separate races/three genetically distinct creatures as we are now, but instead be once race.  All three races are equal before God.  Also people feel that if your parents have passed on these morals to you, and if you reject them, then you are dishonoring your parents and violating the 10 commandments.  I know it is not something popular to think in a world taken over by the New Age movement, but there is nothing wrong with believing this.  I have seen posts of people being judgemental by calling someone who doesn&#039;t support the fact that they think interracialjudgemental.  It is true that some people may believe that interracial marriage/dating/creating mixed race offspring is wrong, but they feel this way for the wrong reasons by thinking that there race is the best.  You should look at God&#039;s plan that He has someone of our own race out there for us.  Some people are not able to wait, and may commit to this lifestyle prematurely.  People inherently know that this is against God&#039;s plan, but since the three races are close enough genetically (being three divisions of the human species), they can still produce offspring that is a hybrid of the races or a mixed race, as a consequence of a sexual act performed.  Sadly, most people who honor God seek to uphold His will and stand up against interracial marriage/dating/fornication for the right reasons are grouped along with the groups who are truly racist and feel that there particular race is better.  It is best to teach the future generations that interracial marriage, though it can produce hybrid offspring, is not God&#039;s plan.  We should encourage our own children that while this happens occasionally, this is not the right way, but also that the child can not be blamed for the sin of their parents.  Again, seeking God&#039;s view is not popular in today&#039;s society, but the right way often isn&#039;t.  Why can&#039;t people just accept that the three races are equal in worth before humans and God, and that God made us into separate races for a reason.  Not to try to undo what He had separated, but live as brothers and sisters in Christ.  Contrary to some interesting beliefs, the races can co-exist and be friends without have to produce offspring with each other.  Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main reason that interracial dating/marriage is still considered wrong, it that many people feel that God created three genetically different races of the human species: black, white, and asian, and if He wanted us to interbreed, then we would not be separate races/three genetically distinct creatures as we are now, but instead be once race.  All three races are equal before God.  Also people feel that if your parents have passed on these morals to you, and if you reject them, then you are dishonoring your parents and violating the 10 commandments.  I know it is not something popular to think in a world taken over by the New Age movement, but there is nothing wrong with believing this.  I have seen posts of people being judgemental by calling someone who doesn&#8217;t support the fact that they think interracialjudgemental.  It is true that some people may believe that interracial marriage/dating/creating mixed race offspring is wrong, but they feel this way for the wrong reasons by thinking that there race is the best.  You should look at God&#8217;s plan that He has someone of our own race out there for us.  Some people are not able to wait, and may commit to this lifestyle prematurely.  People inherently know that this is against God&#8217;s plan, but since the three races are close enough genetically (being three divisions of the human species), they can still produce offspring that is a hybrid of the races or a mixed race, as a consequence of a sexual act performed.  Sadly, most people who honor God seek to uphold His will and stand up against interracial marriage/dating/fornication for the right reasons are grouped along with the groups who are truly racist and feel that there particular race is better.  It is best to teach the future generations that interracial marriage, though it can produce hybrid offspring, is not God&#8217;s plan.  We should encourage our own children that while this happens occasionally, this is not the right way, but also that the child can not be blamed for the sin of their parents.  Again, seeking God&#8217;s view is not popular in today&#8217;s society, but the right way often isn&#8217;t.  Why can&#8217;t people just accept that the three races are equal in worth before humans and God, and that God made us into separate races for a reason.  Not to try to undo what He had separated, but live as brothers and sisters in Christ.  Contrary to some interesting beliefs, the races can co-exist and be friends without have to produce offspring with each other.  Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: ritz</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/07/interracial-marriage/#comment-96022</link>
		<dc:creator>ritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im doing a project for school on interracial dating and relationships. I would like some help on statistics and old articles on acts against it so I can show my school how many people really don&#039;t agree with it. I personally don&#039;t have a problem as long as the other person treats you right and you understand what they believe and arent against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im doing a project for school on interracial dating and relationships. I would like some help on statistics and old articles on acts against it so I can show my school how many people really don&#8217;t agree with it. I personally don&#8217;t have a problem as long as the other person treats you right and you understand what they believe and arent against it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike B</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/07/interracial-marriage/#comment-93543</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just realized that there is another &quot;Mike&quot; posting here, and uses only the name &quot;Mike.&quot;  For what it&#039;s worth, I&#039;m the Mike who adopted two biracial boys.  I&#039;m not living in the South, but in Utah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just realized that there is another &#8220;Mike&#8221; posting here, and uses only the name &#8220;Mike.&#8221;  For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;m the Mike who adopted two biracial boys.  I&#8217;m not living in the South, but in Utah.</p>
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		<title>By: manaen</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/07/interracial-marriage/#comment-93508</link>
		<dc:creator>manaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>163
Mike, Here&#039;s another side to that: when my wife and I looked at adopting a couple decades ago, concerns about something called &quot;racial identity&quot; made it difficult to for us, mainly white, to adopt a black child.  White babies went to white parents and black babies went to black parents.  Half-black/half-white babies went to black parents.  I left-brainedly argued without success that even if it did make sense to segregate kids like that, we had as much claim to a half/half child as did potential black parents. (I now suppose they believed that such a child would be better accepted in the black community).  I also was unsuccessful in arguing that a good family of any race was better for a black kid than institutional custody.  

This reached its nadir when we learned that even foster parents were assigned by race.  I’m still puzzled as to how a few weeks, that wouldn&#039;t be remembered consciously, with a white family might damage a black infant&#039;s so-called racial identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>163<br />
Mike, Here&#8217;s another side to that: when my wife and I looked at adopting a couple decades ago, concerns about something called &#8220;racial identity&#8221; made it difficult to for us, mainly white, to adopt a black child.  White babies went to white parents and black babies went to black parents.  Half-black/half-white babies went to black parents.  I left-brainedly argued without success that even if it did make sense to segregate kids like that, we had as much claim to a half/half child as did potential black parents. (I now suppose they believed that such a child would be better accepted in the black community).  I also was unsuccessful in arguing that a good family of any race was better for a black kid than institutional custody.  </p>
<p>This reached its nadir when we learned that even foster parents were assigned by race.  I’m still puzzled as to how a few weeks, that wouldn&#8217;t be remembered consciously, with a white family might damage a black infant&#8217;s so-called racial identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of the generational gap regarding races, when we adopted our first son (he&#039;s half black half white), a ward member held baby shower for us.  The elderly lady across the street lovingly stated, &quot;It&#039;s too bad you couldn&#039;t get a white one.&quot;  We just laughed about it.  Later that week, the bishop&#039;s wife called me and said, &quot;I just want you to know that I just love Tiger Woods.&quot;  We laughed again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of the generational gap regarding races, when we adopted our first son (he&#8217;s half black half white), a ward member held baby shower for us.  The elderly lady across the street lovingly stated, &#8220;It&#8217;s too bad you couldn&#8217;t get a white one.&#8221;  We just laughed about it.  Later that week, the bishop&#8217;s wife called me and said, &#8220;I just want you to know that I just love Tiger Woods.&#8221;  We laughed again.</p>
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		<title>By: Lini</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/07/interracial-marriage/#comment-93500</link>
		<dc:creator>Lini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born and raised in white town in Meridian, Idaho.  The population in my highschool was 99% caucasian.  I wanted to explore other cultures, so I went to BYU-Hawaii.  I have to admit that I had a rough time with all the different cultures my first semester.  Here&#039;s the point:  When I truely engulfed myself in friendships whith those from other cultures, I felt there were no boundardaries.  We all shared a few things in common, one of which is that we were LDS.

That is the main thing you will share when dating/marrying another LDS individual from another culture/country.  I ended up marrying a man from Tonga.  He grew up very differently from me.  The one thing we both grew up doing was FHE and church.  That was basically all we had in common from our childhoods.  We have had our ups and our downs.  

My main advice is to discuss EVERYTHING prior to marrying.  This includes how you celebrate holidays (i.e. anniversaries, birthdays... etc), how you &quot;help&quot; when family members are in need, where his/her priorities are (i.e.  are they aligned:  God first, your immediate family, THEN the extended family).  These are all things to take into consideration.

I&#039;m not going to say it has been easy... and even at times, I wish I would have married within my own culture.  Particularly when I realized there is no emphases put on anniversaries where he grew up (hint, hint). But praying for your spouse helps a tremendous deal.  It is a challenge, but as JKS says all the way at the top, you need to heed the spirit when you pray about it.  That&#039;s what I did.

At BYUH, it is never looked at as &quot;bad&quot; to date interracially, but you find that those who survive will give forums and speeches on the difficulties of inter-cultural relationships.  That always helps me.  Make sure if you decide to tie the knot that you seek counsel from someone who has been through it before.  You will not go into it blindly, and you will feel better about your decision... although every situation is different.

You will gain great experiences by dating interracially, and you will be stronger having survived it.  GO FOR IT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born and raised in white town in Meridian, Idaho.  The population in my highschool was 99% caucasian.  I wanted to explore other cultures, so I went to BYU-Hawaii.  I have to admit that I had a rough time with all the different cultures my first semester.  Here&#8217;s the point:  When I truely engulfed myself in friendships whith those from other cultures, I felt there were no boundardaries.  We all shared a few things in common, one of which is that we were LDS.</p>
<p>That is the main thing you will share when dating/marrying another LDS individual from another culture/country.  I ended up marrying a man from Tonga.  He grew up very differently from me.  The one thing we both grew up doing was FHE and church.  That was basically all we had in common from our childhoods.  We have had our ups and our downs.  </p>
<p>My main advice is to discuss EVERYTHING prior to marrying.  This includes how you celebrate holidays (i.e. anniversaries, birthdays&#8230; etc), how you &#8220;help&#8221; when family members are in need, where his/her priorities are (i.e.  are they aligned:  God first, your immediate family, THEN the extended family).  These are all things to take into consideration.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to say it has been easy&#8230; and even at times, I wish I would have married within my own culture.  Particularly when I realized there is no emphases put on anniversaries where he grew up (hint, hint). But praying for your spouse helps a tremendous deal.  It is a challenge, but as JKS says all the way at the top, you need to heed the spirit when you pray about it.  That&#8217;s what I did.</p>
<p>At BYUH, it is never looked at as &#8220;bad&#8221; to date interracially, but you find that those who survive will give forums and speeches on the difficulties of inter-cultural relationships.  That always helps me.  Make sure if you decide to tie the knot that you seek counsel from someone who has been through it before.  You will not go into it blindly, and you will feel better about your decision&#8230; although every situation is different.</p>
<p>You will gain great experiences by dating interracially, and you will be stronger having survived it.  GO FOR IT</p>
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		<title>By: manaen</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/07/interracial-marriage/#comment-86646</link>
		<dc:creator>manaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>19, 148, 149, 152
danithew, Ed, ESO, et all

About maybe we have unsupposed roots, see this recent article in &quot;The New York Times&quot;:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/30/opinion/30sat4.html?incamp=article_popular</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19, 148, 149, 152<br />
danithew, Ed, ESO, et all</p>
<p>About maybe we have unsupposed roots, see this recent article in &#8220;The New York Times&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/30/opinion/30sat4.html?incamp=article_popular" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/30/opinion/30sat4.html?incamp=article_popular</a></p>
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		<title>By: manaen</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/07/interracial-marriage/#comment-86517</link>
		<dc:creator>manaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#159

Seth, well said!

It seems that the temporally-comfortable among us frequently look at &quot;Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.&quot; (Matt 25:40) as an opportunity for some spiritual extra credit beyond a now satisfactory station.  Would that we recalled as well the negative of that verse that follows: &quot;Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.&quot; (Matt 25:45)</description>
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<p>Seth, well said!</p>
<p>It seems that the temporally-comfortable among us frequently look at &#8220;Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.&#8221; (Matt 25:40) as an opportunity for some spiritual extra credit beyond a now satisfactory station.  Would that we recalled as well the negative of that verse that follows: &#8220;Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.&#8221; (Matt 25:45)</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Rogers</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/07/interracial-marriage/#comment-86507</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: 155

JKS, since you asked ... But this is really off-topic.

I have lived with both the &quot;elites&quot; and the &quot;non-elites.&quot; Both have their good and bad points.

Of course, I disagree with both labels and I would be hard pressed to apply either label to anyone I actually know. Besides, I also disagree that you have to be college-educated to be an &quot;elite Mormon.&quot;

&quot;He who is greatest among you, let him become as a little child.&quot;

In any case, my point was that the educated in America often tend to be woefully unaware of the latent ignorance, violence and despair surrounding them even in their own towns, and certainly in the world at large.

My comment above might be read as an arrogant condemnation of the meek and lowly of the earth. This is not my intention. Wealth and ease does not automatically grant a person the moral high ground and neither does poverty and hardship. Both may be misused.

I am reminded of the words of the second spirit in Dickens&#039; &quot;A Christmas Carol&quot; when he lifts his robes and reveals two wretched children. Scrooge asks him if they are his:


&quot;They are Man&#039;s&quot; said the Spirit looking down upon them. &quot;And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased.&quot;


There are of course, many lessons to be taken from the Spirit&#039;s statement. My take is that Want represents the sins of the downtrodden in society and Ignorance represents the sins of the privileged. The poor hunger after what the wealthy have. The wealthy aren&#039;t even aware that the poor exist. 

Want and Ignorance.

Blindness is the sin of the privileged in America. They don&#039;t know who they are rubbing elbows with and they couldn&#039;t be more detached from the ugly realities their brethren still live with.

Some poor wretch gets drunk one night and goes and vandalizes a Jewish synagogue leaving vile racial epithets scrawled on the walls. Educated Americans recoil in disgust at such behavior. They offer up long sermons couched in the moral sensibilities they have acquired at school. They theorize about the rightness and wrongness of theoretical anti-Semitism.

But this is as far as it goes. The educated rarely venture beyond speaking of THEORETICAL evils and actually speak of REAL evils. Few are willing to descend to the level of this poor bigot and really understand the hatred, fear, and despair that he lives with every hour of his life.

Instead, we separate ourselves from him and erect a barrier of intellectual theories and moral platitudes around him to keep him at a distance. Then we silently congratulate ourselves on our intellectual and moral superiority. But we prefer to keep him caged and intellectually accounted for.  We fear to really touch him lest he contaminate us in some way.

Again, Ignorance belongs to the privileged and usually, the ignorance is willful.</description>
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<p>JKS, since you asked &#8230; But this is really off-topic.</p>
<p>I have lived with both the &#8220;elites&#8221; and the &#8220;non-elites.&#8221; Both have their good and bad points.</p>
<p>Of course, I disagree with both labels and I would be hard pressed to apply either label to anyone I actually know. Besides, I also disagree that you have to be college-educated to be an &#8220;elite Mormon.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;He who is greatest among you, let him become as a little child.&#8221;</p>
<p>In any case, my point was that the educated in America often tend to be woefully unaware of the latent ignorance, violence and despair surrounding them even in their own towns, and certainly in the world at large.</p>
<p>My comment above might be read as an arrogant condemnation of the meek and lowly of the earth. This is not my intention. Wealth and ease does not automatically grant a person the moral high ground and neither does poverty and hardship. Both may be misused.</p>
<p>I am reminded of the words of the second spirit in Dickens&#8217; &#8220;A Christmas Carol&#8221; when he lifts his robes and reveals two wretched children. Scrooge asks him if they are his:</p>
<p>&#8220;They are Man&#8217;s&#8221; said the Spirit looking down upon them. &#8220;And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are of course, many lessons to be taken from the Spirit&#8217;s statement. My take is that Want represents the sins of the downtrodden in society and Ignorance represents the sins of the privileged. The poor hunger after what the wealthy have. The wealthy aren&#8217;t even aware that the poor exist. </p>
<p>Want and Ignorance.</p>
<p>Blindness is the sin of the privileged in America. They don&#8217;t know who they are rubbing elbows with and they couldn&#8217;t be more detached from the ugly realities their brethren still live with.</p>
<p>Some poor wretch gets drunk one night and goes and vandalizes a Jewish synagogue leaving vile racial epithets scrawled on the walls. Educated Americans recoil in disgust at such behavior. They offer up long sermons couched in the moral sensibilities they have acquired at school. They theorize about the rightness and wrongness of theoretical anti-Semitism.</p>
<p>But this is as far as it goes. The educated rarely venture beyond speaking of THEORETICAL evils and actually speak of REAL evils. Few are willing to descend to the level of this poor bigot and really understand the hatred, fear, and despair that he lives with every hour of his life.</p>
<p>Instead, we separate ourselves from him and erect a barrier of intellectual theories and moral platitudes around him to keep him at a distance. Then we silently congratulate ourselves on our intellectual and moral superiority. But we prefer to keep him caged and intellectually accounted for.  We fear to really touch him lest he contaminate us in some way.</p>
<p>Again, Ignorance belongs to the privileged and usually, the ignorance is willful.</p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESO,
Please email me at joabenson@comcast.net.  I would like to discuss possible family connections.
Thanks,
JA Benson</description>
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Please email me at <a href="mailto:joabenson@comcast.net">joabenson@comcast.net</a>.  I would like to discuss possible family connections.<br />
Thanks,<br />
JA Benson</p>
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