Comments on: Metaphysics and Mormonism: Transcendence http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:57:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jack http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81380 Jack Mon, 04 Jul 2005 06:56:52 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81380 Kingsley, You may not yet be worthy to be prayed to, but some of us worship the scraps of paper you write on. Kingsley,

You may not yet be worthy to be prayed to, but some of us worship the scraps of paper you write on.

]]> By: Kingsley http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81378 Kingsley Mon, 04 Jul 2005 05:39:27 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81378 One day I hope to clean my room regularly, so that I do not scream profanities when I lose my lighter under piles and piles of scraps of paper with my gambling debts written on them. On that great day, dare I say it, I will be one step closer to being worthy to be prayed to. One day I hope to clean my room regularly, so that I do not scream profanities when I lose my lighter under piles and piles of scraps of paper with my gambling debts written on them. On that great day, dare I say it, I will be one step closer to being worthy to be prayed to.

]]> By: Kingsley http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81377 Kingsley Mon, 04 Jul 2005 05:32:52 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81377 "One day I hope to be a god." What a great Church! “One day I hope to be a god.”

What a great Church!

]]> By: Jack http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81371 Jack Mon, 04 Jul 2005 02:41:44 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81371 Ah. Ah.

]]> By: Harold B. Curtis http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81370 Harold B. Curtis Mon, 04 Jul 2005 01:39:06 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81370 Yea Yea

]]> By: Jack http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81369 Jack Mon, 04 Jul 2005 01:34:52 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81369 But, Harold, if that being who you reverence as your Father is your "first cause", then He would precede the principles and powers you will have followed and been subject to on your trek toward godhood, no? But, Harold, if that being who you reverence as your Father is your “first cause”, then He would precede the principles and powers you will have followed and been subject to on your trek toward godhood, no?

]]> By: Harold B. Curtis http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81368 Harold B. Curtis Mon, 04 Jul 2005 01:14:53 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81368 One day I hope to be a god. When that day shall come, the principles and powers I will have followed and been subject to will have preceded my godhood. When the children of my begetting likewise become gods, will it not be because the principles and powers they have been subject to will have preceded their godhood? And when shall it end? If there is any truth to this, can we ever expect to see in mortality the beginning first cause of such genealogy? I do not expect it. I am reminded of reading years ago, from Joseph Fielding Smiths, "Answers to Gospel Questions", that the galaxies are island universe's each presided over by a god. Such cosmic plurality humbles my personal individuality. To contemplate the council of the gods which preside over even so small an estimate as 150,000,000,000 galaxies creates the need for a very large council room, or tiered counseling as is the case in the church today. Meanwhile God, the Eternal Father of the spirits of all mankind on earth, and the creator of Adam and Eve the first man and woman of all men and woman on earth, is the being who I reverence as my Father and my God. He is the Mighty Ahman who holds the keys powers presidency and intelligence on which I rely for my future blessing and consolation. He is the first cause in my life, and the only cause in whom I have assurance. His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ is the first cause of my redemption and salvation. I have no other place to go, because there is no other place to go. No one else offers resurrection, restoration, redemption, repentance, all heights and depths and so on and so on. Now I can accept the desire of some to question what caused the first cause, but it surely seems to me to be like a trip to Lagoon, where you go on rides up and down, around and around, in and out, and when you walk out the gate at the end of day all you can say is what a ride. Meanwhile I have enjoyed these posts and they have reassured me of mans inherent nature and desire to divine the Devine that is in all of us Harold B. Curtis One day I hope to be a god. When that day shall come, the principles and powers I will have followed and been subject to will have preceded my godhood. When the children of my begetting likewise become gods, will it not be because the principles and powers they have been subject to will have preceded their godhood? And when shall it end?

If there is any truth to this, can we ever expect to see in mortality the beginning first cause of such genealogy? I do not expect it.

I am reminded of reading years ago, from Joseph Fielding Smiths, “Answers to Gospel Questions”, that the galaxies are island universe’s each presided over by a god. Such cosmic plurality humbles my personal individuality. To contemplate the council of the gods which preside over even so small an estimate as 150,000,000,000 galaxies creates the need for a very large council room, or tiered counseling as is the case in the church today.

Meanwhile God, the Eternal Father of the spirits of all mankind on earth, and the creator of Adam and Eve the first man and woman of all men and woman on earth, is the being who I reverence as my Father and my God. He is the Mighty Ahman who holds the keys powers presidency and intelligence on which I rely for my future blessing and consolation. He is the first cause in my life, and the only cause in whom I have assurance. His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ is the first cause of my redemption and salvation. I have no other place to go, because there is no other place to go. No one else offers resurrection, restoration, redemption, repentance, all heights and depths and so on and so on.

Now I can accept the desire of some to question what caused the first cause, but it surely seems to me to be like a trip to Lagoon, where you go on rides up and down, around and around, in and out, and when you walk out the gate at the end of day all you can say is what a ride.

Meanwhile I have enjoyed these posts and they have reassured me of mans inherent nature and desire to divine the Devine that is in all of us

Harold B. Curtis

]]> By: Jack http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81367 Jack Mon, 04 Jul 2005 00:51:41 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81367 Deep thoughts by "Jack". Deep thoughts by “Jack”.

]]> By: Jack http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81366 Jack Mon, 04 Jul 2005 00:33:29 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81366 Sorry about the second "think". I think I was destracted momentarily from my thought as I thought of what it means to think. But thinking on what it means to be destracted by a thought when one is thinking about what it means to think, I soon found myself thinking about a destraction which had nothing to do with the thought I was thinking before I was destracted. Hence the second "think", I think. Sorry about the second “think”. I think I was destracted momentarily from my thought as I thought of what it means to think. But thinking on what it means to be destracted by a thought when one is thinking about what it means to think, I soon found myself thinking about a destraction which had nothing to do with the thought I was thinking before I was destracted. Hence the second “think”, I think.

]]> By: Jack http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/06/metaphysics-and-mormonism-transcendence/#comment-81361 Jack Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:20:01 +0000 /?p=2381#comment-81361 Ralph, Do you think think it's possilble that there's no real decision to be made between God and "impersonal principles"? That principles are only manifest as they are incarnate, or, in other words, as they live in creation. If we think about the "principle" of "love" it becomes little more than a dead "concept" if it is dissociated from the breast of a human being. Even the scientific principle of gravitation becomes meaningless without particles. I suppose it may be useful to, by virtue of some kind of math, "abstract" the principles as a way of aiding our learning the things of God. But even so, we would not comprehend the abstracts if not for our prior "living" experience with principles. Ralph,

Do you think think it’s possilble that there’s no real decision to be made between God and “impersonal principles”? That principles are only manifest as they are incarnate, or, in other words, as they live in creation. If we think about the “principle” of “love” it becomes little more than a dead “concept” if it is dissociated from the breast of a human being. Even the scientific principle of gravitation becomes meaningless without particles. I suppose it may be useful to, by virtue of some kind of math, “abstract” the principles as a way of aiding our learning the things of God. But even so, we would not comprehend the abstracts if not for our prior “living” experience with principles.

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