Comments on: Terry Schiavo and the Good Death http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/ Truth will prevail Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:58:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: A. Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-58244 A. Greenwood Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:19:46 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-58244 Death is sometimes the lesser of two evils, Annegb (in fact, from an eternal perspective, it always is, since it allows us to return to the father), but its still an evil. Like pain, suffering, and so on. Every good thing comes from Christ, but not death. I am, however, willing to agree to disagree. Death is sometimes the lesser of two evils, Annegb (in fact, from an eternal perspective, it always is, since it allows us to return to the father), but its still an evil. Like pain, suffering, and so on. Every good thing comes from Christ, but not death.

I am, however, willing to agree to disagree.

]]> By: Kingsley http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-58240 Kingsley Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:09:52 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-58240 <i>It</i> seems. O.K., so maybe it's a little ironic. It seems. O.K., so maybe it’s a little ironic.

]]> By: Kingsley http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-58239 Kingsley Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:08:53 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-58239 No, not even slightly. It's seems a kind of twisted observation, to tell you the truth. No, not even slightly. It’s seems a kind of twisted observation, to tell you the truth.

]]> By: Julie K http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-58238 Julie K Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:06:44 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-58238 Threadjack alert: Does anyone else find it even slightly ironic that Terri who starved herself to be skinny (on purpose) was starved to death (on purpose)? Threadjack alert:

Does anyone else find it even slightly ironic that Terri
who starved herself to be skinny (on purpose)
was starved to death (on purpose)?

]]> By: Mike Kaiser http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-58225 Mike Kaiser Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:31:19 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-58225 OK so everyone believes the husband had some unseen but the public reason he wanted her to die... With the things I have read lately that have been publicized NOWHERE I am beginning to believe that it is her parents who had an agenda. The husband was offered millions of dollars by various people to give custody to the parents which he refused. Obviously he wasn't after money. The father less than a year ago pulled the plug on HIS OWN MOTHER. The sister and brother have both alluded to the fact that they would never want to be in a PVS which she IS IN and would rather be let go. These doctors have never examined Ms. Schiavo and if they give a diagnoses on something like this based on heresay and short videos then that DEFINES them as quacks. I think that since there are still medical malpractice pending the family was after money which is why they wanted responsibility for her care. BTW anyone who thinks this relates to abortion in anyway you are an idiot. She made the choice as an adult to not CONTINUE her life if it came to this. A unborn baby never has that choice. I think I have a way to make both sides happy. Abortions are illegal without the consent of the baby. So at 18 you can ask the person if they wish to be aborted and if they say yes then you can abort them. OK so everyone believes the husband had some unseen but the public reason he wanted her to die… With the things I have read lately that have been publicized NOWHERE I am beginning to believe that it is her parents who had an agenda. The husband was offered millions of dollars by various people to give custody to the parents which he refused. Obviously he wasn’t after money. The father less than a year ago pulled the plug on HIS OWN MOTHER. The sister and brother have both alluded to the fact that they would never want to be in a PVS which she IS IN and would rather be let go. These doctors have never examined Ms. Schiavo and if they give a diagnoses on something like this based on heresay and short videos then that DEFINES them as quacks. I think that since there are still medical malpractice pending the family was after money which is why they wanted responsibility for her care. BTW anyone who thinks this relates to abortion in anyway you are an idiot. She made the choice as an adult to not CONTINUE her life if it came to this. A unborn baby never has that choice. I think I have a way to make both sides happy. Abortions are illegal without the consent of the baby. So at 18 you can ask the person if they wish to be aborted and if they say yes then you can abort them.

]]> By: Wishmaster http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-58099 Wishmaster Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:18:27 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-58099 Firstly Terri's husband was not awarded any money to care for her only if she lives he was awarded 1 million dollars for allionation of affections from his wife and this money was awarded by the state. Secondly this young woman should be able to die in peace and harmony and she should not be made to look like a spectacle on television. Tell me if it were your family member who was in a vegetative state would you want to see them like that everyday not knowing whether they are in pain, and that they cannot communicate their feelings to you. I think the very least is that unless the state is willing to care for her for the rest of her life because her parents certainly won't live forever i think she should be allowed to die in peace. I think Terri's parents are being selfish in thinking about what they want and not what Terri wants. Like really why is so hard for them to let her go and say this is the best thing for her unless there is something wrong with them or maybe their brains have been deprived of oxygen. Firstly Terri’s husband was not awarded any money to care for her only if she lives he was awarded 1 million dollars for allionation of affections from his wife and this money was awarded by the state. Secondly this young woman should be able to die in peace and harmony and she should not be made to look like a spectacle on television. Tell me if it were your family member who was in a vegetative state would you want to see them like that everyday not knowing whether they are in pain, and that they cannot communicate their feelings to you. I think the very least is that unless the state is willing to care for her for the rest of her life because her parents certainly won’t live forever i think she should be allowed to die in peace. I think Terri’s parents are being selfish in thinking about what they want and not what Terri wants. Like really why is so hard for them to let her go and say this is the best thing for her unless there is something wrong with them or maybe their brains have been deprived of oxygen.

]]> By: annegb http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-58086 annegb Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:09:28 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-58086 Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam. Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan. Sorry Adam, I didn't realize you were a big cheese on T&S, therefore LDS, I honestly wondered. No, no,no,no,no,no,no, death is not evil. There are ways of death that can be evil (think serial killers), and it is sheer agony for the survivors, but death, guys is a necessary and natural part of life. Terri Schiavo's death, now, whole different ball game. But when she dies, what evil will she encounter? None, you guys know that! You know that the spirit world is a good and peaceful place. No, you will never convince me of that. Never. I look forward eagerly to my death and already have the singers lined out to sing "O Happy Day." (killer song). Okay, I do not look forward to the death of anybody I know (except my former brother in law, which would definitely not be evil, but for the greater good of the entire world), including you guys, who I barely know, but really know in another way. DEATH IS NOT EVIL. Painful, sad, hard to take, sometimes hard to get through, but not evil. Change your uh, adverb? Adjective? You guys are more educated than me, but you are not more experienced. Sometimes death can be a wonderful blessing and sometimes it can be a supremely spiritual experience, like when my former bishop died of cancer, surrounded by love and giving love in abundance to all of us. The spirit was thick. There was no evil there. Death is no more inherently evil than life. And the crack about birth, geez, messy, yeah, painful, yeah (which you have absolutely no room to talk about that since you didn't endure it), but in the end glorious. Just like this crazy, mixed up life. No, no, no,no, no, I will never agree with you. Never. Being tortured upside down by Osama Bin Laden would not make me say that. Well, maybe, but I would be lying. Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam. Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan.

Sorry Adam, I didn’t realize you were a big cheese on T&S, therefore LDS, I honestly wondered.

No, no,no,no,no,no,no, death is not evil. There are ways of death that can be evil (think serial killers), and it is sheer agony for the survivors, but death, guys is a necessary and natural part of life. Terri Schiavo’s death, now, whole different ball game. But when she dies, what evil will she encounter? None, you guys know that! You know that the spirit world is a good and peaceful place.

No, you will never convince me of that. Never. I look forward eagerly to my death and already have the singers lined out to sing “O Happy Day.” (killer song).

Okay, I do not look forward to the death of anybody I know (except my former brother in law, which would definitely not be evil, but for the greater good of the entire world), including you guys, who I barely know, but really know in another way.

DEATH IS NOT EVIL. Painful, sad, hard to take, sometimes hard to get through, but not evil. Change your uh, adverb? Adjective? You guys are more educated than me, but you are not more experienced. Sometimes death can be a wonderful blessing and sometimes it can be a supremely spiritual experience, like when my former bishop died of cancer, surrounded by love and giving love in abundance to all of us. The spirit was thick. There was no evil there. Death is no more inherently evil than life.

And the crack about birth, geez, messy, yeah, painful, yeah (which you have absolutely no room to talk about that since you didn’t endure it), but in the end glorious. Just like this crazy, mixed up life.

No, no, no,no, no, I will never agree with you. Never. Being tortured upside down by Osama Bin Laden would not make me say that. Well, maybe, but I would be lying.

]]> By: A. Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-57829 A. Greenwood Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:31:45 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-57829 "Are you LDS? Do you believe in the plan of salvation?" Yes. I think you misunderstand the plan of salvation. The plan is that bad things will happen to us--death, sin, misery, suffering--and that we will grow thereby. Experiencing these things all help us but they're not desirable in themselves. Remember, the Atonement is the central saving event of all history, but Christ shrank from it and wished not to drink the bitter cup, <i>and it was not sinful for him to want not to</i>. Remember that the spirits in paradise see their separation from their mortal bodies as bondage. “Are you LDS? Do you believe in the plan of salvation?”

Yes.

I think you misunderstand the plan of salvation. The plan is that bad things will happen to us–death, sin, misery, suffering–and that we will grow thereby. Experiencing these things all help us but they’re not desirable in themselves.

Remember, the Atonement is the central saving event of all history, but Christ shrank from it and wished not to drink the bitter cup, and it was not sinful for him to want not to. Remember that the spirits in paradise see their separation from their mortal bodies as bondage.

]]> By: Jordan Fowles http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-57821 Jordan Fowles Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:24:47 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-57821 Adam- I'm with you. Perfect bodies don't die. Death is a corruption of the fall. It may be a "necessary" corruption, but a corruption nonetheless. How great will be the day when people are changed in the twinkling of an eye (rather than dying) and parents can raise their children to adulthood, uncheated by death. Adam-

I’m with you. Perfect bodies don’t die. Death is a corruption of the fall. It may be a “necessary” corruption, but a corruption nonetheless. How great will be the day when people are changed in the twinkling of an eye (rather than dying) and parents can raise their children to adulthood, uncheated by death.

]]> By: annegb http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/terry-schiavo-and-the-good-death/#comment-57817 annegb Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:38:22 +0000 /?p=2096#comment-57817 God doesn't say, "death, where is thy sting" a human being said it. Death is not evil. We all have to die in order to go on to the next life. Death is not an ending, only in human perception. Are you LDS? Do you believe in the plan of salvation? I understand suffering and mourning. For me, losing a loved one is agony, but for my loved one, death is simply a changing, most often for the better, of circumstances. It is essential to our eternal progression. It is a natural, and necessary, aspect of life in this world, but it is not an ending of life in any sense of the word. Jesus didn't end death, He made it possible for us to be resurrected. His more important purpose was to overcome sin in the garden so that we are not eternally separated from God. I feel badly for what Terri Schiavo's parents are going through, and for what Terri has gone through in this life, but her death is not the greatest tragedy in this story. Her suffering will immediately cease. God doesn’t say, “death, where is thy sting” a human being said it. Death is not evil. We all have to die in order to go on to the next life. Death is not an ending, only in human perception. Are you LDS? Do you believe in the plan of salvation?

I understand suffering and mourning. For me, losing a loved one is agony, but for my loved one, death is simply a changing, most often for the better, of circumstances. It is essential to our eternal progression. It is a natural, and necessary, aspect of life in this world, but it is not an ending of life in any sense of the word.

Jesus didn’t end death, He made it possible for us to be resurrected. His more important purpose was to overcome sin in the garden so that we are not eternally separated from God.

I feel badly for what Terri Schiavo’s parents are going through, and for what Terri has gone through in this life, but her death is not the greatest tragedy in this story. Her suffering will immediately cease.

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