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		<title>By: Titus Todd</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/nauvoo-trivia/#comment-54239</link>
		<dc:creator>Titus Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[i]i knew it was okay to ditch the garments when it’s hot out. now i have proof.

Might I point out, Mike, that Joseph, Hyrum, and John Taylor all got shot on a day that they took off their garments for it being too hot out; Willard Richards, on the other hand, “through the providence of God, escaped, without even a hole in his robe” (D&amp;C 135:2). I’d be careful if I were you – especially if there happens to be an angry mob in your town of late! [/i]

Good point.  Also, can you imagine what the garments back then were like on a hot humid day?  We don&#039;t really have as much of an excuse considering how much less there is to garments today and what materials are available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[i]i knew it was okay to ditch the garments when it’s hot out. now i have proof.</p>
<p>Might I point out, Mike, that Joseph, Hyrum, and John Taylor all got shot on a day that they took off their garments for it being too hot out; Willard Richards, on the other hand, “through the providence of God, escaped, without even a hole in his robe” (D&#038;C 135:2). I’d be careful if I were you – especially if there happens to be an angry mob in your town of late! [/i]</p>
<p>Good point.  Also, can you imagine what the garments back then were like on a hot humid day?  We don&#8217;t really have as much of an excuse considering how much less there is to garments today and what materials are available.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, my friend Michael Hicks wrote a terrific article that is relevant here:

&quot;&#039;Strains Which Will Not Soon Be Allowed to Die&#039;: &#039;The Stranger&#039; and Carthage Jail,&quot; BYU Studies 23/4 (1983): 389.  This article tells you everything you ever wanted to know about the song &quot;A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief.&quot;

I don&#039;t know whether this will work, but I&#039;ll try to link to the Lee Library online collection:

http://tinyurl.com/3ux4e

I remember when Mike was researching that article; we were at the University of Illinois together at that time.

The article presents an early shape note version of the song as published in The Sacred Harp.  I actually sang that version in Church once as a solo on a Sunday close to June 27th.  That is the only solo I&#039;ve ever sung in Church; I like to sing, but I have more of a choir voice.  I was pretty nervous doing the solo, but I really like this version.  It is the source for the later, more flowery version we sing, but this one is simpler and quite beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, my friend Michael Hicks wrote a terrific article that is relevant here:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Strains Which Will Not Soon Be Allowed to Die&#8217;: &#8216;The Stranger&#8217; and Carthage Jail,&#8221; BYU Studies 23/4 (1983): 389.  This article tells you everything you ever wanted to know about the song &#8220;A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether this will work, but I&#8217;ll try to link to the Lee Library online collection:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/3ux4e" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3ux4e</a></p>
<p>I remember when Mike was researching that article; we were at the University of Illinois together at that time.</p>
<p>The article presents an early shape note version of the song as published in The Sacred Harp.  I actually sang that version in Church once as a solo on a Sunday close to June 27th.  That is the only solo I&#8217;ve ever sung in Church; I like to sing, but I have more of a choir voice.  I was pretty nervous doing the solo, but I really like this version.  It is the source for the later, more flowery version we sing, but this one is simpler and quite beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/nauvoo-trivia/#comment-53533</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Before the jailor came in, his boy brought in some water, and said the guard wanted some wine. Joseph gave Dr. Richards two dollars to give the guard; but the guard said one was enough, and would take no more.
&quot;The guard immediately sent for a bottle of wine, pipes, and two small papers of tobacco; and one of the guards brought them into the jail soon after the jailor went out. Dr. Richards uncorked the bottle, and presented a glass to Joseph, who tasted, as Brother Taylor and the doctor, and the bottle was then given to the guard, who turned to go out.&quot; 

(History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 616)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Before the jailor came in, his boy brought in some water, and said the guard wanted some wine. Joseph gave Dr. Richards two dollars to give the guard; but the guard said one was enough, and would take no more.<br />
&#8220;The guard immediately sent for a bottle of wine, pipes, and two small papers of tobacco; and one of the guards brought them into the jail soon after the jailor went out. Dr. Richards uncorked the bottle, and presented a glass to Joseph, who tasted, as Brother Taylor and the doctor, and the bottle was then given to the guard, who turned to go out.&#8221; </p>
<p>(History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 616)</p>
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		<title>By: danithew</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/nauvoo-trivia/#comment-53525</link>
		<dc:creator>danithew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, I just want to say that I&#039;m really enjoying your posts.  They&#039;ve really been great.  So thanks for that.

I can still remember as a child hearing the tour version of the story where the stain on the floor is pointed out.  So it was cool to read some new insight on the matter.  It has been years since I&#039;ve been to Nauvoo and I&#039;m hoping my wife and I can do a tour of the eastern Church sites someday soon.

Here&#039;s a random trivia fact that I&#039;ve heard but never verified.  I had a mission companion who told me Joseph Smith and others were not only singing hymns before they were killed.  According to him, they had also ordered a couple of bottles of wine to the room where they were being held.  Has anyone else heard that story?  Any truth to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I just want to say that I&#8217;m really enjoying your posts.  They&#8217;ve really been great.  So thanks for that.</p>
<p>I can still remember as a child hearing the tour version of the story where the stain on the floor is pointed out.  So it was cool to read some new insight on the matter.  It has been years since I&#8217;ve been to Nauvoo and I&#8217;m hoping my wife and I can do a tour of the eastern Church sites someday soon.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a random trivia fact that I&#8217;ve heard but never verified.  I had a mission companion who told me Joseph Smith and others were not only singing hymns before they were killed.  According to him, they had also ordered a couple of bottles of wine to the room where they were being held.  Has anyone else heard that story?  Any truth to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Arwyn</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/nauvoo-trivia/#comment-53518</link>
		<dc:creator>Arwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;i knew it was okay to ditch the garments when it’s hot out. now i have proof.&lt;/i&gt;

Might I point out, Mike, that Joseph, Hyrum, and John Taylor all got shot on a day that they took off their garments for it being too hot out; Willard Richards, on the other hand, &quot;through the providence of God, escaped, without even a hole in his robe&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/135/1#2&quot;&gt;D&amp;C 135:2&lt;/a&gt;).  I&#039;d be careful if I were you -- especially if there happens to be an angry mob in your town of late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>i knew it was okay to ditch the garments when it’s hot out. now i have proof.</i></p>
<p>Might I point out, Mike, that Joseph, Hyrum, and John Taylor all got shot on a day that they took off their garments for it being too hot out; Willard Richards, on the other hand, &#8220;through the providence of God, escaped, without even a hole in his robe&#8221; (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/135/1#2">D&#038;C 135:2</a>).  I&#8217;d be careful if I were you &#8212; especially if there happens to be an angry mob in your town of late!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1965 (I think) I toured the Carthage jail and was very impressed that the &quot;bloodstain&quot;was still so clearly visible. Seeing it made me feel like I was somehow in touch with what happened there. I wouldn&#039;t suggest keeping it even though it isn&#039;t actually Hyrum&#039;s (or anyone&#039;s) blood, but I think it is a mistake to remove all icons. We don&#039;t need to be Protestants about them in order to avoid the excesses with which they can be associated. So, if it had been Hyrum&#039;s blood, I hope we wouldn&#039;t have &quot;moved on.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1965 (I think) I toured the Carthage jail and was very impressed that the &#8220;bloodstain&#8221;was still so clearly visible. Seeing it made me feel like I was somehow in touch with what happened there. I wouldn&#8217;t suggest keeping it even though it isn&#8217;t actually Hyrum&#8217;s (or anyone&#8217;s) blood, but I think it is a mistake to remove all icons. We don&#8217;t need to be Protestants about them in order to avoid the excesses with which they can be associated. So, if it had been Hyrum&#8217;s blood, I hope we wouldn&#8217;t have &#8220;moved on.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is Old House Books, owned by Estel Neff, who is descended from one of Joseph Smith&#039;s sisters, I believe.  It&#039;s a very good bookstore--and right next to the fudge shop, too.

I have to admit that I was disappointed GBH decided to put the upright Moroni statue on the temple, instead of the horizontal weather vane.  But still, the temple is absolutely gorgeous.  I&#039;ve only been through it twice, once during the open house and once during a session.  I&#039;m hoping to get down there for a long weekend sometime this summer to go again.

Oh, and if anyone goes, be sure to go to the buffet at the Nauvoo Hotel; it&#039;s terrific!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is Old House Books, owned by Estel Neff, who is descended from one of Joseph Smith&#8217;s sisters, I believe.  It&#8217;s a very good bookstore&#8211;and right next to the fudge shop, too.</p>
<p>I have to admit that I was disappointed GBH decided to put the upright Moroni statue on the temple, instead of the horizontal weather vane.  But still, the temple is absolutely gorgeous.  I&#8217;ve only been through it twice, once during the open house and once during a session.  I&#8217;m hoping to get down there for a long weekend sometime this summer to go again.</p>
<p>Oh, and if anyone goes, be sure to go to the buffet at the Nauvoo Hotel; it&#8217;s terrific!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Christensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before the temple was rebuilt, one of the times we visited Nauvoo, one of the men doing the historical presentation in the carpenter&#039;s shop and the blacksmith&#039;s shops, went on about the technical know-how that the converts from England brought.  These were the craftsmen with the tools and vision to not only build the wagons, but to be able to invent a new way of curing wood in much less time.   Here is Joseph Smith, in the aftermath of the apostasy after the collapse of the Kirtland bank during the Worldwide Panic of 1837, sending his stauchest supporters across an ocean to preach.  And he sends them to the exact same city (Industrial Manchester, England) where Karl Marx is writing Das Kapital, among a people ripe for a radical change in life.  It was an eye-opening discourse.

It was a fascinating place to visit, more so last time we went, and saw the Temple risen from the empty lot we had walked through and around many times.  And the bookstore, to my surprise and delight, had a better selection than did the Deseret Book in downtown SLC.

Kevin Christensen
Pittsburgh, PA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the temple was rebuilt, one of the times we visited Nauvoo, one of the men doing the historical presentation in the carpenter&#8217;s shop and the blacksmith&#8217;s shops, went on about the technical know-how that the converts from England brought.  These were the craftsmen with the tools and vision to not only build the wagons, but to be able to invent a new way of curing wood in much less time.   Here is Joseph Smith, in the aftermath of the apostasy after the collapse of the Kirtland bank during the Worldwide Panic of 1837, sending his stauchest supporters across an ocean to preach.  And he sends them to the exact same city (Industrial Manchester, England) where Karl Marx is writing Das Kapital, among a people ripe for a radical change in life.  It was an eye-opening discourse.</p>
<p>It was a fascinating place to visit, more so last time we went, and saw the Temple risen from the empty lot we had walked through and around many times.  And the bookstore, to my surprise and delight, had a better selection than did the Deseret Book in downtown SLC.</p>
<p>Kevin Christensen<br />
Pittsburgh, PA</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i &lt;i&gt;knew&lt;/i&gt; it was okay to ditch the garments when it&#039;s hot out.  now i have proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i <i>knew</i> it was okay to ditch the garments when it&#8217;s hot out.  now i have proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Astle</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/03/nauvoo-trivia/#comment-53468</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Astle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine was a missionary in Nauvoo.  It turns out the house where the sisters live is located at the same spot where the house of the fictitious Steed family in the &quot;Work and the Glory&quot; novels supposedly stood.  My friend told me that they werer constantly fielding knocks at their door from people who wanted to tour the &quot;Steed home,&quot; or wanting to know if this was the original building.  After all, can&#039;t fiction be history, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine was a missionary in Nauvoo.  It turns out the house where the sisters live is located at the same spot where the house of the fictitious Steed family in the &#8220;Work and the Glory&#8221; novels supposedly stood.  My friend told me that they werer constantly fielding knocks at their door from people who wanted to tour the &#8220;Steed home,&#8221; or wanting to know if this was the original building.  After all, can&#8217;t fiction be history, too?</p>
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