Comments on: The Millennium will have come by then http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:57:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Darrick Evenson http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-104550 Darrick Evenson Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:52:51 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-104550 Dear Friends, The Lord did come! The Lord Jesus visited His temple in Salt Lake City on Sept. 28th, 1912. You can read about that at: www.angelfire.com/mo/baha/1912.html Dear Friends,

The Lord did come! The Lord Jesus visited His temple in Salt Lake City on Sept. 28th, 1912.
You can read about that at:
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/baha/1912.html

]]> By: annegb http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-74486 annegb Sat, 21 May 2005 23:26:12 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-74486 I think it was on this thread that somebody recommended Mormon Lives, by Susan Taber, to me. Whoever you are, I bought three copies, two for friends of mine. I love that book. I am savoring it. Thanks. I think it was on this thread that somebody recommended Mormon Lives, by Susan Taber, to me.

Whoever you are, I bought three copies, two for friends of mine. I love that book. I am savoring it. Thanks.

]]> By: Sheri Lynn http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-52854 Sheri Lynn Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:16:32 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-52854 Now I'm getting to it, I'm getting to it. Think of how much fan mail I get, annegb. You have to give me TIME. (thanks a random john, but you know, everybody gets just ONE SASE from me, and then that's it.) Now I’m getting to it, I’m getting to it. Think of how much fan mail I get, annegb. You have to give me TIME.

(thanks a random john, but you know, everybody gets just ONE SASE from me, and then that’s it.)

]]> By: annegb http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-52837 annegb Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:14:50 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-52837 He didn't answer my e-mail. Of course, few do. I think the word has gotten around. :) He didn’t answer my e-mail. Of course, few do. I think the word has gotten around. :)

]]> By: a random John http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-52835 a random John Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:00:27 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-52835 Sheri Lynn, Have you tried e-mail? I don't wish to speak for OSC, but he has responded kindly each time I have emailed him. His address isn't too hard to find on his website. Sheri Lynn,

Have you tried e-mail? I don’t wish to speak for OSC, but he has responded kindly each time I have emailed him. His address isn’t too hard to find on his website.

]]> By: Sheri Lynn http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-52815 Sheri Lynn Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:52:07 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-52815 What is 'fame,' but to have suffered the breach of the barriers between others and one's own excellence--or baseness? There isn't a famous writer whose writing doesn't suffer from his or her fame. So I forgive Brother Card his cruel and discouraging failure to answer my passionate fan letter for FOLK OF THE FRINGE, even though I DID enclose an SASE. :-) (You can keep the stamp. Really.) (Heh.) What is ‘fame,’ but to have suffered the breach of the barriers between others and one’s own excellence–or baseness?

There isn’t a famous writer whose writing doesn’t suffer from his or her fame. So I forgive Brother Card his cruel and discouraging failure to answer my passionate fan letter for FOLK OF THE FRINGE, even though I DID enclose an SASE.

:-)

(You can keep the stamp. Really.) (Heh.)

]]> By: Shawn Bailey http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-52767 Shawn Bailey Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:38:38 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-52767 Neil is a playwright, film director, film producer, etc. Works include Bash, In the Company of Men, and Fat Pig (currently playing off-broadway). Rosalynde did an excellent post or two here on him/his work. I would link, but the T&S search feature is so handy (and I'm not sure how to do it). He has ties (historical atleast) to the church and BYU. Neil is a playwright, film director, film producer, etc. Works include Bash, In the Company of Men, and Fat Pig (currently playing off-broadway). Rosalynde did an excellent post or two here on him/his work. I would link, but the T&S search feature is so handy (and I’m not sure how to do it). He has ties (historical atleast) to the church and BYU.

]]> By: annegb http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-52765 annegb Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:21:27 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-52765 Who is Neil Labute? Who is Neil Labute?

]]> By: Shawn Bailey http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-52763 Shawn Bailey Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:02:03 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-52763 Orson Scott Card, Neil Labute, Ken Jennings, several bright stars in Mormon studies, that Michigan philosophy professor who will never, ever, forget the nuances of the Mormon doctrine of proxy baptism that he recently had the privilege to learn . . . Yes, Times and Seasons has been graced by some famous people. And who knows what General Authorities (other than members of the Strengthening the Members Committee) are reading without commenting!* I would like to think that there is something about our Christianity (which I understand to eschew mortal status markers)---or the maturity and intelligence of the participants here (which I think consistently inspiring)---that would lead us to avoid getting too excited about celebrity in itself. This is not a comment about any particular post. I will gladly join the grateful chorus thanking Orson for his work (which I enjoy immensely). I just want these people to stick around (and other similarly brilliant people to join us) so that we can engage their ideas. I suppose I am afraid that too much engaging them as famous celebrities to be fawned over will bore them and ultimately scare them away. Of course, I could be completely wrong. Maybe they like that kind of thing. I just don't think that I would if I were in that position. *Aside: I think the treatment of General Authorities as celebrities is particularly sad. These people want to bring souls to Christ! Not sign autographs and pose for pictures! Still, as far as I have seen, they are gracious when put in this awkward position. Orson Scott Card, Neil Labute, Ken Jennings, several bright stars in Mormon studies, that Michigan philosophy professor who will never, ever, forget the nuances of the Mormon doctrine of proxy baptism that he recently had the privilege to learn . . .

Yes, Times and Seasons has been graced by some famous people. And who knows what General Authorities (other than members of the Strengthening the Members Committee) are reading without commenting!*

I would like to think that there is something about our Christianity (which I understand to eschew mortal status markers)—or the maturity and intelligence of the participants here (which I think consistently inspiring)—that would lead us to avoid getting too excited about celebrity in itself.

This is not a comment about any particular post. I will gladly join the grateful chorus thanking Orson for his work (which I enjoy immensely). I just want these people to stick around (and other similarly brilliant people to join us) so that we can engage their ideas. I suppose I am afraid that too much engaging them as famous celebrities to be fawned over will bore them and ultimately scare them away. Of course, I could be completely wrong. Maybe they like that kind of thing. I just don’t think that I would if I were in that position.

*Aside: I think the treatment of General Authorities as celebrities is particularly sad. These people want to bring souls to Christ! Not sign autographs and pose for pictures! Still, as far as I have seen, they are gracious when put in this awkward position.

]]> By: Stephen M (Ethesis) http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/the-millennium-will-have-come-by-then/#comment-52760 Stephen M (Ethesis) Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:22:04 +0000 /?p=1909#comment-52760 <i>4. Patriarchal blessings are consistently, reliably inspired. However, because a patriarch must express that inspiration in his own language, some human errors are introduced. In cases where dead individuals were promised to live to see the second coming, maybe the patriarch had a genuine impression that led him to make that promise, but his choice of wording was less than ideal. 5. Patriarchal blessings are inspired, including the promises about the second coming, but we often misinterpret them, including those promises. Thus, such promises may refer to seeing the second coming while living as a spirit, or after dying and being resurrected.</i> It is interesting how Brigham Young went on at length about the flaws inherent in communication between God and man due to the weaknesses of our language and expression. It was a theme he returned to, over and over again. Also, Stake Presidents are supposed to audit patriarchial blessings to confirm that the Patriarchs aren't straying off base. That does indicate to me that Patriarchs are <i>are human</i> ... and a part of mortality, rather than an exception to it. I should note that in a different context, I've heard at least one blessing, delivered with power, that appeared to be one thing. On reflection I realized it was a part of the second endowment and had a completely different meaning than I had ascribed to it. I've also sat and watched while God communicated to someone in spite of an extreme "noise to signal" ratio (less than 5% of what the guy said was correct, but the listener was tuned into the Spirit and received a very strong, but very different, message. I was only 20 or so at the time and it made a very significant impression on me about how God works in spite of the imperfections of men). <b> john fowles</b> -- your friend should contact the Church and get a proper blessing. Indeed. 4. Patriarchal blessings are consistently, reliably inspired. However, because a patriarch must express that inspiration in his own language, some human errors are introduced. In cases where dead individuals were promised to live to see the second coming, maybe the patriarch had a genuine impression that led him to make that promise, but his choice of wording was less than ideal.

5. Patriarchal blessings are inspired, including the promises about the second coming, but we often misinterpret them, including those promises. Thus, such promises may refer to seeing the second coming while living as a spirit, or after dying and being resurrected.

It is interesting how Brigham Young went on at length about the flaws inherent in communication between God and man due to the weaknesses of our language and expression. It was a theme he returned to, over and over again.

Also, Stake Presidents are supposed to audit patriarchial blessings to confirm that the Patriarchs aren’t straying off base. That does indicate to me that Patriarchs are are human … and a part of mortality, rather than an exception to it.

I should note that in a different context, I’ve heard at least one blessing, delivered with power, that appeared to be one thing. On reflection I realized it was a part of the second endowment and had a completely different meaning than I had ascribed to it.

I’ve also sat and watched while God communicated to someone in spite of an extreme “noise to signal” ratio (less than 5% of what the guy said was correct, but the listener was tuned into the Spirit and received a very strong, but very different, message. I was only 20 or so at the time and it made a very significant impression on me about how God works in spite of the imperfections of men).

john fowles — your friend should contact the Church and get a proper blessing. Indeed.

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