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		<title>By: Julie in Austin</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/sunday-school-lesson-3/#comment-41213</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin--

Good memory.  I looked them up for my lesson so:

“I stated that the most prominent difference in sentiment between the Latter-day Saints and sectarians was, that the latter were all circumscribed by some peculiar creed, which deprived its members the privilege of believing anything not contained therein, whereas the Latter-day Saints have no creed, but are ready to believe all true principles that exist, as they are made manifest from time to time.” HC 5:215

“I cannot believe in any of the creeds of the different denominations, because they all have some things in them I cannot subscribe to, though all of them have some truth. I want to come up into the presence of God, and learn all things; but the creeds set up stakes, and say, &quot;Hitherto shalt thou come, and no further&quot;; which I cannot subscribe to.” TPJS 327</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin&#8211;</p>
<p>Good memory.  I looked them up for my lesson so:</p>
<p>“I stated that the most prominent difference in sentiment between the Latter-day Saints and sectarians was, that the latter were all circumscribed by some peculiar creed, which deprived its members the privilege of believing anything not contained therein, whereas the Latter-day Saints have no creed, but are ready to believe all true principles that exist, as they are made manifest from time to time.” HC 5:215</p>
<p>“I cannot believe in any of the creeds of the different denominations, because they all have some things in them I cannot subscribe to, though all of them have some truth. I want to come up into the presence of God, and learn all things; but the creeds set up stakes, and say, &#8220;Hitherto shalt thou come, and no further&#8221;; which I cannot subscribe to.” TPJS 327</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Christensen</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/sunday-school-lesson-3/#comment-41055</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reference to &quot;creeds&quot; being abominble should be footnoted to Joseph Smith&#039;s explanations about creeds in History of the Church and TPJS.  E.g., &quot;Creeds set up stakes and bounds to the work of the almighty.&quot;  and &quot;I want to come into the presence of God and learn all things, but creeds say, come here, and no further, which I cannot subscribe to.&quot;  (Going from memory.)

Kevin Christensen
Pittsburgh, PA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reference to &#8220;creeds&#8221; being abominble should be footnoted to Joseph Smith&#8217;s explanations about creeds in History of the Church and TPJS.  E.g., &#8220;Creeds set up stakes and bounds to the work of the almighty.&#8221;  and &#8220;I want to come into the presence of God and learn all things, but creeds say, come here, and no further, which I cannot subscribe to.&#8221;  (Going from memory.)</p>
<p>Kevin Christensen<br />
Pittsburgh, PA</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess there could be a difference between thinking &quot;are they wrong&quot; and having that thougt enter into your heart. I think having it enter into your heart is more more of a testimony rather than a whim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess there could be a difference between thinking &#8220;are they wrong&#8221; and having that thougt enter into your heart. I think having it enter into your heart is more more of a testimony rather than a whim.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie in Austin</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/sunday-school-lesson-3/#comment-40690</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, you need the next paragraph too:

&quot;There appears to be a possible discrepancy between a statement recorded in the 1832 accountâ€”that Joseph decided by searching the scriptures that no denomination was â€œbuilt upon the Gospel â€¦ as recorded in the New Testamentâ€?â€”and a comment in the 1838 accountâ€”that â€œat this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong.â€? If there is a contradiction in these accounts, then the 1838 account should be considered as the more reliable history. The young Joseph Smith, like many others then and now, was possibly not precise in his use of all words.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, you need the next paragraph too:</p>
<p>&#8220;There appears to be a possible discrepancy between a statement recorded in the 1832 accountâ€”that Joseph decided by searching the scriptures that no denomination was â€œbuilt upon the Gospel â€¦ as recorded in the New Testamentâ€?â€”and a comment in the 1838 accountâ€”that â€œat this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong.â€? If there is a contradiction in these accounts, then the 1838 account should be considered as the more reliable history. The young Joseph Smith, like many others then and now, was possibly not precise in his use of all words.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Julie in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dustin--

I was wondering about that, too.  I wonder if this has anything to do with it:

&quot;Another change in the 1902 edition (originally in the 1891 edition) of the Pearl of Great Price was the omission of a phrase which had appeared in parentheses in Josephâ€™s manuscript history and early publications of that work. This was the comment concerning Josephâ€™s attitude immediately prior to his entering the sacred groveâ€”â€œ(for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong).â€? This statement was reinserted in the 1981 edition.&quot;  Milton V. Backman Jr., â€œJoseph Smithâ€™s Recitals of the First Vision,â€? Ensign, Jan. 1985, 8f.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dustin&#8211;</p>
<p>I was wondering about that, too.  I wonder if this has anything to do with it:</p>
<p>&#8220;Another change in the 1902 edition (originally in the 1891 edition) of the Pearl of Great Price was the omission of a phrase which had appeared in parentheses in Josephâ€™s manuscript history and early publications of that work. This was the comment concerning Josephâ€™s attitude immediately prior to his entering the sacred groveâ€”â€œ(for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong).â€? This statement was reinserted in the 1981 edition.&#8221;  Milton V. Backman Jr., â€œJoseph Smithâ€™s Recitals of the First Vision,â€? Ensign, Jan. 1985, 8f.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dustin. Good question. I&#039;d not noticed that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dustin. Good question. I&#8217;d not noticed that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/sunday-school-lesson-3/#comment-40225</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a question I had while reading this lesson:

Verse 18 states &quot;(for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)&quot;

But back in verse 10 he states &quot;In the midst of this war of words and tumult of opinions, I often said to myself: What is to be done? Who of all these parties are right; or, are they all wrong together?&quot;

So, had it really entered into his heart that all were wrong or not? Probably not important, but I was just thinking maybe an oops on recalling his thoughts before his vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question I had while reading this lesson:</p>
<p>Verse 18 states &#8220;(for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)&#8221;</p>
<p>But back in verse 10 he states &#8220;In the midst of this war of words and tumult of opinions, I often said to myself: What is to be done? Who of all these parties are right; or, are they all wrong together?&#8221;</p>
<p>So, had it really entered into his heart that all were wrong or not? Probably not important, but I was just thinking maybe an oops on recalling his thoughts before his vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/01/sunday-school-lesson-3/#comment-39945</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt, thank you for the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt, thank you for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, thanks for posting your comments.  I have added them to the ldsgospeldoctrine.net link index.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, thanks for posting your comments.  I have added them to the ldsgospeldoctrine.net link index.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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