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		<title>By: annegb</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-47749</link>
		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 05:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, very wise.  I would like to print it, it&#039;s full of good stuff to use in a lesson or talk.

You know, I think I&#039;ve contributed to that uncivil tone, without meaning to, in part because I didn&#039;t realize the international nature of the posters.  If I am in a room with people, and can see their faces, I can read dismay and shut up.  Not always.   I apologize if I&#039;ve offended anybody, it certainly wasn&#039;t my intent.  In my world, there is no forum like this.

I&#039;ve heard that old saw that if you see something you don&#039;t like in someone, it&#039;s usually because you&#039;re like them, and I&#039;ve thought a lot about that.  Then I thought about my best friends and people who dislike them and they&#039;re not a bit alike, so I don&#039;t think that holds true, except for one area:  power.  This can includes issues of control or simply trying to prove a point.  I get myself in trouble with that all the time.

But I&#039;m glad for this &quot;blog&quot; which I haven&#039;t taken the time to analyze the term yet, but soon.  :)  Thanks, Bro. Falcouner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, very wise.  I would like to print it, it&#8217;s full of good stuff to use in a lesson or talk.</p>
<p>You know, I think I&#8217;ve contributed to that uncivil tone, without meaning to, in part because I didn&#8217;t realize the international nature of the posters.  If I am in a room with people, and can see their faces, I can read dismay and shut up.  Not always.   I apologize if I&#8217;ve offended anybody, it certainly wasn&#8217;t my intent.  In my world, there is no forum like this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that old saw that if you see something you don&#8217;t like in someone, it&#8217;s usually because you&#8217;re like them, and I&#8217;ve thought a lot about that.  Then I thought about my best friends and people who dislike them and they&#8217;re not a bit alike, so I don&#8217;t think that holds true, except for one area:  power.  This can includes issues of control or simply trying to prove a point.  I get myself in trouble with that all the time.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m glad for this &#8220;blog&#8221; which I haven&#8217;t taken the time to analyze the term yet, but soon.  :)  Thanks, Bro. Falcouner</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-47731</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If I confuse my political doctrines with my religious beliefs, something easy to do since they overlap in a number of areas, I will find it difficult not to assume that those who disagree with me are evil and, therefore, properly to be contended against.&lt;/i&gt;

Now that I&#039;ve been blogging for a while, I really see the truth of that post.

Glad this one won an award.

Oh, and btw, the guys who burglarized the house got a total of about four thousand dollars worth of stuff and got caught as well.  I missed the pots and pans they took and some other things.  Turns out they were furnishing an apartment.  Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If I confuse my political doctrines with my religious beliefs, something easy to do since they overlap in a number of areas, I will find it difficult not to assume that those who disagree with me are evil and, therefore, properly to be contended against.</i></p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve been blogging for a while, I really see the truth of that post.</p>
<p>Glad this one won an award.</p>
<p>Oh, and btw, the guys who burglarized the house got a total of about four thousand dollars worth of stuff and got caught as well.  I missed the pots and pans they took and some other things.  Turns out they were furnishing an apartment.  Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: john fowles</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-24429</link>
		<dc:creator>john fowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee, I for one have missed your comments around here. I think that I can relate to how you feel. I have had some pretty big arguments within the last few months around here. I hope that my own perspective/cantakerousness hasn&#039;t contributed to your feeling unwelcome here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee, I for one have missed your comments around here. I think that I can relate to how you feel. I have had some pretty big arguments within the last few months around here. I hope that my own perspective/cantakerousness hasn&#8217;t contributed to your feeling unwelcome here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebenezer</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-24426</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebenezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=active&amp;num=30&amp;q=Renee%20site:www.timesandseasons.org&quot;&gt;Reneww site:www.timesandseasons.org&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;safe=active&#038;num=30&#038;q=Renee%20site:www.timesandseasons.org">Reneww site:www.timesandseasons.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ebenezer</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-24425</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebenezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, looks like wordpress doesn&#039;t like javascript in links...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, looks like wordpress doesn&#8217;t like javascript in links&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ebenezer</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-24424</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebenezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danithew,

You can google a specific site by adding &quot;site:[URL]&quot; to your google search, like this:

&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;Renee site:www.timesandseasons.org&lt;/a&gt;

You can also drag and drop the following link to your browser&#039;s links toolbar and when you click it it will google search whatever site you are currently viewing:

&lt;a href=&quot;javascript:{void(words=prompt(&#039;Enter Words:&#039;,(document.all) ? document.selection.createRange().text : window.getSelection(),&#039;Search Google&#039;));}if(words){var site=this.location.href; site=site.replace(&#039;http://&#039;,&#039;&#039;); var slash=site.indexOf(&#039;/&#039;);if (slash &gt; -1){site=site.substring(0,slash);}location.href=&#039;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=active&amp;num=30&amp;q=&#039;+escape(words)+&#039; site%3A&#039;+site;}&quot;&gt;Site Google&lt;a /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danithew,</p>
<p>You can google a specific site by adding &#8220;site:[URL]&#8221; to your google search, like this:</p>
<p><a href="">Renee site:www.timesandseasons.org</a></p>
<p>You can also drag and drop the following link to your browser&#8217;s links toolbar and when you click it it will google search whatever site you are currently viewing:</p>
<p><a href="javascript:{void(words=prompt('Enter Words:',(document.all) ? document.selection.createRange().text : window.getSelection(),'Search Google'));}if(words){var site=this.location.href; site=site.replace('<a href="http://&#039;,&#039;" rel="nofollow">http://&#039;,&#039;</a>&#8216;); var slash=site.indexOf(&#8216;/&#8217;);if (slash > -1){site=site.substring(0,slash);}location.href=&#8217;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;safe=active&#038;num=30&#038;q=&#8217;+escape(words)+&#8217; site%3A&#8217;+site;}&#8221;>Site Google<a /></p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-24416</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee, first, let me second Jim&#039;s comments.  There is most certainly a difference between &quot;generally accepted beliefs&quot; and &quot;revealed revelation.&quot;  Beyond that, it is not always a simple matter to determine what the &quot;official&quot; church view is, even for those with insider status.  (See, e.g., Nate&#039;s comments regarding Elder McConkie and Mormon Doctrine.)  Moreover, it is often the case that &quot;received revelation&quot; raises more questions than answers.  I don&#039;t always agree with the positions endorsed here, but I am glad we all have a place to come to make our case.

I&#039;m disheartened to hear that you have felt attacked here.  If you&#039;ll let Dan and I know who the culprits are, we&#039;ll go beat the !&amp;@% out of &#039;em.  ;&gt;)  Hope you&#039;ll stick around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee, first, let me second Jim&#8217;s comments.  There is most certainly a difference between &#8220;generally accepted beliefs&#8221; and &#8220;revealed revelation.&#8221;  Beyond that, it is not always a simple matter to determine what the &#8220;official&#8221; church view is, even for those with insider status.  (See, e.g., Nate&#8217;s comments regarding Elder McConkie and Mormon Doctrine.)  Moreover, it is often the case that &#8220;received revelation&#8221; raises more questions than answers.  I don&#8217;t always agree with the positions endorsed here, but I am glad we all have a place to come to make our case.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disheartened to hear that you have felt attacked here.  If you&#8217;ll let Dan and I know who the culprits are, we&#8217;ll go beat the !&#038;@% out of &#8216;em.  ;>)  Hope you&#8217;ll stick around.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-24414</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee, as a huge fan of Georgia Tech, I certainly hope that the ACC is not out of step with the official church view.  I could see how one could conclude otherwise, however, with the recent inclusion of Miami.  ;&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee, as a huge fan of Georgia Tech, I certainly hope that the ACC is not out of step with the official church view.  I could see how one could conclude otherwise, however, with the recent inclusion of Miami.  ;>)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-24410</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee, do you see the difference between what you quote me as saying &quot;If what I say runs counter to LDS received wisdom or to the LDS norm&quot; and what you attribute to me: &quot;If what one say runs counter to LDS received revelation&quot;? 

&quot;Received wisdom&quot; is a standard, idiomatic phrase meaning &quot;generally accepted beliefs.&quot; I have &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; suggested that what we say can run counter to LDS revelation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee, do you see the difference between what you quote me as saying &#8220;If what I say runs counter to LDS received wisdom or to the LDS norm&#8221; and what you attribute to me: &#8220;If what one say runs counter to LDS received revelation&#8221;? </p>
<p>&#8220;Received wisdom&#8221; is a standard, idiomatic phrase meaning &#8220;generally accepted beliefs.&#8221; I have <i>not</i> suggested that what we say can run counter to LDS revelation.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/09/difference-disagreement-and-contention/#comment-24409</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Danithew.  It&#039;s been multiple threads with the vulgarity. Apparently just my luck to visit on those days.   And, no, it wasn&#039;t you and I cannot imagine you being hateful. (Don&#039;t shatter my illusion if I&#039;m wrong. LOL)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Danithew.  It&#8217;s been multiple threads with the vulgarity. Apparently just my luck to visit on those days.   And, no, it wasn&#8217;t you and I cannot imagine you being hateful. (Don&#8217;t shatter my illusion if I&#8217;m wrong. LOL)</p>
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