Gay Marriage Links

June 29, 2004 | 8 comments

Joshua Livestro on Dutch Marriage:
He reports that only a small fraction of gay couples have actually married [apparently the societal legitimation was more important than the actual ability to marriage] and that heterosexual marriage rates have sunk while illegitimacy rates have risen.

Susan Shell on the Liberal Case Against Gay Marriage:
a society without the means of formally acknowledging, through marriage, the fact of generation, like one without the means of formally acknowledging, through funeral rites, the fact of death, seems impoverished in the most basic of human terms.

Maggie Gallagher on Mitt Romney and Massachussetts:
In birth certificates, the line for mother and father becomes “Parent A” and “Parent B.”
[S]chool textbooks and classroom instruction may be required to assert absolute societal indifference between traditional marriage and same-sex practice.

What if the courts made a social revolution and the old regime forgot to show up?
The Washington Post on the voters’ reluctance to think about SSM.


8 Responses to Gay Marriage Links

  1. JB on June 29, 2004 at 8:33 pm

    Not trying to defend Gay marriage, but…
    From the SL trib:
    But the hearing’s star witness, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, cited Utah’s territorial battle with the federal government over polygamy as an example of when federal intervention in state marriage policy is warranted and necessary.
    “There was a long time ago a state that considered the practice of polygamy [legal] and as I recall the federal government correctly stepped in and said, ‘That is not something the state should decide,’ ” Romney told the committee. “We have a federal view on marriage; this should not be left to an individual state.”

    Does anyone really beleive that the federal government was right to dissolve the church, confiscate church property, and put our leaders in jail in order to put an end to polygamy?

  2. jeremobi on June 30, 2004 at 1:15 am

    Thanks, Adam. I rather like the Shell article. I had several students read it last week as a backgrounder for an essay assignment.

    The NRO piece by Joshua Livestro is not so useful. But we can’t expect the NR to provide us with thorough analysis. It’s not what they do. The numbers are messy, correlations are passed off as causation, and the conclusions drawn by Mr. Livestro run counter to the only significant empirical research on the subject in Europe: Darren Spedale’s study of SS domestic partnerships in Denmark.

    Seems there, heterosexual marriage went up after passage of the legislation in 1989 and heterosexual divorce went down. Granted, that, too, is only correlation.

    A summary of the research and how Stan Kurtz (Hoover Institute, Weekly Standard, NR) both tortures that data and is fundamentally misguided about the nature of Scandinavian societies can be found here:

    Very nice to see the low countries now have their own version of Reader’s Digest! ;>)

  3. Adam Greenwood on June 30, 2004 at 10:20 am

    The article presents the correlations that I described in my blurb. Interested persons are free to decide whether they are related or not.

  4. Julie in Austin on June 30, 2004 at 11:45 am

    Good grief, what’s wrong with you people? A post on SSM has been up for hours, T & S set a record for one day hits yesterday, and there are only THREE comments?

    Is it possible that we have finally said all that we want to say about SSM?

  5. Adam Greenwood on June 30, 2004 at 12:24 pm

    Well, Julie in A., we haven’t actually reached the reductio ad Hitlerium yet (no one side has started comparing the other side to Hitler) so we can’t have reached rockbottom yet.

  6. Frank McIntyre on June 30, 2004 at 1:17 pm


    If the only thing that will stop the SSM posts is for someone to be compared to Hitler I am perfectly willing to oblige.

    Julie, your views about SSM are straight out of the brownshirt manual.

    Adam, you are as bad as Hitler. Your views on SSM are akin to concentration camps for gay people. If you and your ideas become dominant in this country, I fear for my life and the life of all patriots and people of good will.

    Further, I personally saw Nate Oman torturing dolphins.

    Kaimi’s views on SSM are repulsive and apostate. A-P-O-S-T-A-T-E.

    Take that, Admin!!

  7. Randy on June 30, 2004 at 2:13 pm

    Since we are now well off topic, and while we are speaking of Hitler, check out the latest from Fafblog, “Hitler: A Pessimist AND a Democrat?”

  8. Silus Grok on June 30, 2004 at 9:54 pm

    Well, the rest of the internet has Godwin’s law… I guess we just have the “God Wins” law.


    *hangs head in shame*


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