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		<title>By: annegb</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/05/mothers-day/#comment-70261</link>
		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 22:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell, I&#039;d like to be there when you give that talk.

It&#039;s funny that most of the posters on this thread are men, discussing mother&#039;s day.  

Mother&#039;s Day is a day I tolerate, because I don&#039;t like fuss, it all seems gratuitous and an excuse to make Hallmark richer.  I try to find things my family can do for me that are really meaningful, like rub my feet.

We got plants today at church.  I said, &quot;I don&#039;t want something I have to take home and plant.  I want a massage.&quot;  Nobody went for it, but it&#039;s a plan.  Boy, would that make me feel special.

It would be impossible to ignore Mother&#039;s Day anymore, I think, because it would not be a good message to the youth.  But I wish that lady had never invented it.

Oh, PS, I think often of that lady, Kitty De----&#039;s mother.  I&#039;ve read that book and I admire her so tremendously for how she prepared for that and how she stood it.  It comes to mind when I contemplate WWIII and all the implications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell, I&#8217;d like to be there when you give that talk.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny that most of the posters on this thread are men, discussing mother&#8217;s day.  </p>
<p>Mother&#8217;s Day is a day I tolerate, because I don&#8217;t like fuss, it all seems gratuitous and an excuse to make Hallmark richer.  I try to find things my family can do for me that are really meaningful, like rub my feet.</p>
<p>We got plants today at church.  I said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want something I have to take home and plant.  I want a massage.&#8221;  Nobody went for it, but it&#8217;s a plan.  Boy, would that make me feel special.</p>
<p>It would be impossible to ignore Mother&#8217;s Day anymore, I think, because it would not be a good message to the youth.  But I wish that lady had never invented it.</p>
<p>Oh, PS, I think often of that lady, Kitty De&#8212;-&#8217;s mother.  I&#8217;ve read that book and I admire her so tremendously for how she prepared for that and how she stood it.  It comes to mind when I contemplate WWIII and all the implications.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/05/mothers-day/#comment-70247</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 15:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been sorry to read many of these comments and see so much angst and over Mother&#039;s Day. I have lived most of my married life outside the U.S. and my experience is that most LDS mothers in foreign countries quite enjoy Mother&#039;s Day. They don&#039;t take it too seriously, but are happy to hear positive things about their role as mothers, and delighted with the extra attention they might receive. Maybe in the U.S. we tend to over-analyze things. The only times I have seen extremely negative reactions like many of those in this thread have been when we were living in the States between overseas stays. And I remember being very careful to reach out to those feeling guilt and pain when I was asked to give a Sacrament Meeting talk in honor of mothers on that holiday. Now that I&#039;m old, I wish I could help some people to just lighten up, not take so many things personally, and find at least some little positive thing about Mother&#039;s Day. We can&#039;t change the fact that it will keep returning every year; but we can consciously change our attitude so that we, and those around us, will welcome rather than dread it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been sorry to read many of these comments and see so much angst and over Mother&#8217;s Day. I have lived most of my married life outside the U.S. and my experience is that most LDS mothers in foreign countries quite enjoy Mother&#8217;s Day. They don&#8217;t take it too seriously, but are happy to hear positive things about their role as mothers, and delighted with the extra attention they might receive. Maybe in the U.S. we tend to over-analyze things. The only times I have seen extremely negative reactions like many of those in this thread have been when we were living in the States between overseas stays. And I remember being very careful to reach out to those feeling guilt and pain when I was asked to give a Sacrament Meeting talk in honor of mothers on that holiday. Now that I&#8217;m old, I wish I could help some people to just lighten up, not take so many things personally, and find at least some little positive thing about Mother&#8217;s Day. We can&#8217;t change the fact that it will keep returning every year; but we can consciously change our attitude so that we, and those around us, will welcome rather than dread it.</p>
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		<title>By: patty</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/05/mothers-day/#comment-70245</link>
		<dc:creator>patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is my first mother,s day and it,s a joke! i thought my husband would,ve fed the baby and let me have my coffee. HAH! he points the the baby food and bottle and says&quot;here you go.&quot;  so i sat feeding the baby feeling &quot; oh wow. gee thanks honey. youer so thoughtful!&quot; on top of all that, he proceeds to tell me there is no cookout this afternoon because we,re broke and cant afford the food. my dad and his wife are coming today. what the %^74 $  am i supposed to tell them? my dad offered acouple of ,months ago to take me and my husband and the baby out for dinner. the cook out was my husband,s idea. so therefore..............my dad thinks he,s coming to a cook out. so husbands out there,make this your wife,s day. she has earned it! really spoil and pamper her. this is her day. she only gets one day out of the year to feel special. it doesnt take much or alot of money. any little thing would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is my first mother,s day and it,s a joke! i thought my husband would,ve fed the baby and let me have my coffee. HAH! he points the the baby food and bottle and says&#8221;here you go.&#8221;  so i sat feeding the baby feeling &#8221; oh wow. gee thanks honey. youer so thoughtful!&#8221; on top of all that, he proceeds to tell me there is no cookout this afternoon because we,re broke and cant afford the food. my dad and his wife are coming today. what the %^74 $  am i supposed to tell them? my dad offered acouple of ,months ago to take me and my husband and the baby out for dinner. the cook out was my husband,s idea. so therefore&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..my dad thinks he,s coming to a cook out. so husbands out there,make this your wife,s day. she has earned it! really spoil and pamper her. this is her day. she only gets one day out of the year to feel special. it doesnt take much or alot of money. any little thing would be great.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/05/mothers-day/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/05/mothers-day/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this criticism, at its most general level, can be said of most holidays.  For example, I happen to not like some (indeed many) of the ways that society celebrates Christmas.  But Christmas is still one of my favorite holidays of the year.  Similarly, one could criticize the way society celebrates Easter, Thanksgiving, or even the 4th of July--not to mention Father&#039;s Day.  But I still enjoy all of these holidays.  Why should Mother&#039;s Day be any different?  

I can sympathize with the frustration over the picture of motherhood that is sometimes painted on Mother&#039;s Day.  The Hallmark cards available at the grocery store just don&#039;t jive with what motherhood is all about.  The talks given in sacrament meeting sometimes suffer from the same problem.  But these attempts to celebrate motherhood don&#039;t (or at least don&#039;t have to) define what Mother&#039;s Day means to each of us.  

Moreover, I am not sure I&#039;m convinced that the kind of motherhood generally celebrated on Mother&#039;s Day is inconsistent with the stories you mention of Eve, Kitty deRuyter’s mother, President Hinckley, or Elder Lee.  Mother&#039;s Day talks at church often do focus on the sunny side of mothering, but this is not always so.  A couple of years ago, a young mother gave a talk in our sacrament meeting about what she had learned about the Savior from being a mother.  Her talk focused on the &quot;gritty, real, messy, tough, and unsentimental&quot; challenges she faced on a daily basis.  I thought her talk was profound and moving.  Further, I don&#039;t think anyone thought that her talk was out of step with what Mother&#039;s Day is all about.  

Holiday cards, TV specials, and talks in sacrament meeting often miss the mark--not just on Mother&#039;s Day.  I don&#039;t see that as a particularly good reason for not liking the holiday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this criticism, at its most general level, can be said of most holidays.  For example, I happen to not like some (indeed many) of the ways that society celebrates Christmas.  But Christmas is still one of my favorite holidays of the year.  Similarly, one could criticize the way society celebrates Easter, Thanksgiving, or even the 4th of July&#8211;not to mention Father&#8217;s Day.  But I still enjoy all of these holidays.  Why should Mother&#8217;s Day be any different?  </p>
<p>I can sympathize with the frustration over the picture of motherhood that is sometimes painted on Mother&#8217;s Day.  The Hallmark cards available at the grocery store just don&#8217;t jive with what motherhood is all about.  The talks given in sacrament meeting sometimes suffer from the same problem.  But these attempts to celebrate motherhood don&#8217;t (or at least don&#8217;t have to) define what Mother&#8217;s Day means to each of us.  </p>
<p>Moreover, I am not sure I&#8217;m convinced that the kind of motherhood generally celebrated on Mother&#8217;s Day is inconsistent with the stories you mention of Eve, Kitty deRuyter’s mother, President Hinckley, or Elder Lee.  Mother&#8217;s Day talks at church often do focus on the sunny side of mothering, but this is not always so.  A couple of years ago, a young mother gave a talk in our sacrament meeting about what she had learned about the Savior from being a mother.  Her talk focused on the &#8220;gritty, real, messy, tough, and unsentimental&#8221; challenges she faced on a daily basis.  I thought her talk was profound and moving.  Further, I don&#8217;t think anyone thought that her talk was out of step with what Mother&#8217;s Day is all about.  </p>
<p>Holiday cards, TV specials, and talks in sacrament meeting often miss the mark&#8211;not just on Mother&#8217;s Day.  I don&#8217;t see that as a particularly good reason for not liking the holiday.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/05/mothers-day/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That story is moving, and so are your hard and gritty mothers.  I understand what you&#039;re admiring, but I don&#039;t understand what you&#039;re rejecting.

It&#039;s a cause of some sorrow to me that I seem to have so little in common with most of the smart Mormons I know.  I like Mother&#039;s Day.  I like the speakers talking about their mothers and getting all choked up and the deacons passing around flowers and all that daffy &#039;kiss-and-make-it-better&#039; and &#039;the-secret-ingredient-is-love&#039; motherhood and mother thinking thankless thoughts about the dishes and the dinner are taken off her hands this one day, but little help she recieves the others, but being moved despite herself.  I don&#039;t know what I&#039;m not seeing, that I keep thinking like this.

I guess I&#039;ll just have to stick with my guns.
Sentiment has more value than you acknowledge, and motherhood is not to be thought unworthy because it is sometimes floral and pastel.  Give me the jabbering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That story is moving, and so are your hard and gritty mothers.  I understand what you&#8217;re admiring, but I don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re rejecting.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a cause of some sorrow to me that I seem to have so little in common with most of the smart Mormons I know.  I like Mother&#8217;s Day.  I like the speakers talking about their mothers and getting all choked up and the deacons passing around flowers and all that daffy &#8216;kiss-and-make-it-better&#8217; and &#8216;the-secret-ingredient-is-love&#8217; motherhood and mother thinking thankless thoughts about the dishes and the dinner are taken off her hands this one day, but little help she recieves the others, but being moved despite herself.  I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m not seeing, that I keep thinking like this.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;ll just have to stick with my guns.<br />
Sentiment has more value than you acknowledge, and motherhood is not to be thought unworthy because it is sometimes floral and pastel.  Give me the jabbering.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/05/mothers-day/#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, Julie.

It reminds me of a talk I gave as a priest on Mother&#039;s Day. The premise was that I wanted to show the sacrifices my mother made for me. I talked about the endless nights she spent trying to console me annual bouts with bronchitis. I talked about the time she interrupted my playing on the tracks to rescue me from an oncoming train. I talked about the times she took me to the hospital with all my broken bones. I talked about her getting pregnant as a teenager and giving up a full university scholarship so she could raise me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, Julie.</p>
<p>It reminds me of a talk I gave as a priest on Mother&#8217;s Day. The premise was that I wanted to show the sacrifices my mother made for me. I talked about the endless nights she spent trying to console me annual bouts with bronchitis. I talked about the time she interrupted my playing on the tracks to rescue me from an oncoming train. I talked about the times she took me to the hospital with all my broken bones. I talked about her getting pregnant as a teenager and giving up a full university scholarship so she could raise me.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/05/mothers-day/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I&#039;ve mulled it over, I have concluded that Julie in A. is a mother herself and has every right to wish her motherhood celebrated in one way and not another.  I offer my contrition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I&#8217;ve mulled it over, I have concluded that Julie in A. is a mother herself and has every right to wish her motherhood celebrated in one way and not another.  I offer my contrition.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Siever</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/05/mothers-day/#comment-1110</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another note, I abhor Mothers Day. For the same reason I abhor Valentine&#039;s Day. I see no reason why I should be expected to express my love and appreciation for my wife on a specific day of the year. I attempt to show my love and appreciation throughout the year, so I do not see why one specific day should be singled out.

The sad part is that mothers expect—despite some receiving adoration throughout the year—to be honoured on this specific day. If they are admired not, all other admonition from the year is forgotten and they get upset they were &quot;missed&quot; on Mother&#039;s Day. The fact they were acknowledged 100 other days with as much fanfare (cards, flowers, presents, breakfast in bed, etc) ends up being irrelevant.

I understand the sentiment behind the day, and it&#039;s useful for those mothers whose husbands are inconsiderate or forgetful enough not to admire them at any other time of the year. However, it does not maker sense for those of us who do remember. In fact, the weaker of us men often find Mothers Day an excuse NOT to recognise their wives any other time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another note, I abhor Mothers Day. For the same reason I abhor Valentine&#8217;s Day. I see no reason why I should be expected to express my love and appreciation for my wife on a specific day of the year. I attempt to show my love and appreciation throughout the year, so I do not see why one specific day should be singled out.</p>
<p>The sad part is that mothers expect—despite some receiving adoration throughout the year—to be honoured on this specific day. If they are admired not, all other admonition from the year is forgotten and they get upset they were &#8220;missed&#8221; on Mother&#8217;s Day. The fact they were acknowledged 100 other days with as much fanfare (cards, flowers, presents, breakfast in bed, etc) ends up being irrelevant.</p>
<p>I understand the sentiment behind the day, and it&#8217;s useful for those mothers whose husbands are inconsiderate or forgetful enough not to admire them at any other time of the year. However, it does not maker sense for those of us who do remember. In fact, the weaker of us men often find Mothers Day an excuse NOT to recognise their wives any other time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dislike some of the things that Julie mentions, too, but here&#039;s what I really dislike about Mother&#039;s Day:  in my ward there will be about 45-50 women present on Sunday.  10 of them are single, have never had the opportunity to be mothers; 4 are currently struggling with infertility; 5 have children who are in varying degrees of serious trouble with drugs, alcohol, and the law, while another 7 or 8 have children whose inactivity in the church is painful to them; another dozen or so were abandoned or failed by their mothers in variously grievous ways, or feel that they have deeply failed their own children; a few have children who have moved to other states, gotten busy and not really stayed in touch with them.  By my count, that doesn&#039;t leave all that many women who will be uplifted and cheered by a lot of talk about the joys of motherhood.  They come to church seeking salve for their wounds in the sacrament and the gospel of Jesus Christ, and we pelt them with rock salt instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dislike some of the things that Julie mentions, too, but here&#8217;s what I really dislike about Mother&#8217;s Day:  in my ward there will be about 45-50 women present on Sunday.  10 of them are single, have never had the opportunity to be mothers; 4 are currently struggling with infertility; 5 have children who are in varying degrees of serious trouble with drugs, alcohol, and the law, while another 7 or 8 have children whose inactivity in the church is painful to them; another dozen or so were abandoned or failed by their mothers in variously grievous ways, or feel that they have deeply failed their own children; a few have children who have moved to other states, gotten busy and not really stayed in touch with them.  By my count, that doesn&#8217;t leave all that many women who will be uplifted and cheered by a lot of talk about the joys of motherhood.  They come to church seeking salve for their wounds in the sacrament and the gospel of Jesus Christ, and we pelt them with rock salt instead.</p>
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