Comments on: More Family Night Fun at the Harris House http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/ Truth Will Prevail Tue, 22 May 2012 18:02:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Grasshopper http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17273 Grasshopper Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17273 bump bump

]]> By: Grasshopper http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17274 Grasshopper Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17274 Is that an MT bug that causes the occasional post to return a 404 until a comment is added? Kristine, does it change our understanding of this passage if we read Jesus' question with a pained, sorrowful tone of voice instead of a harsh one? Maybe this is pointing to the relationship God desires with us. Is that an MT bug that causes the occasional post to return a 404 until a comment is added?

Kristine, does it change our understanding of this passage if we read Jesus’ question with a pained, sorrowful tone of voice instead of a harsh one? Maybe this is pointing to the relationship God desires with us.

]]> By: Kristine http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17275 Kristine Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17275 Yeah, I think that's probably the right way to read the NT passage, but it seems harder to gloss the D&C that way. ?? Maybe they're not so closely related... Yeah, I think that’s probably the right way to read the NT passage, but it seems harder to gloss the D&C that way. ?? Maybe they’re not so closely related…

]]> By: Michelle http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17276 Michelle Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17276 Maybe it's something like the prodigal son story -- Jesus was glad the one came back to thank him, but really worried more about the nine that didn't, and what it meant for them. Whether it was sorrowful or harsh, Christ's focus always seems to be on the ones who need help, rather than the ones who understand. The D&C certainly contains much harshness, but it also contains many passages of praise for the ones who understand. Maybe that's due more to the fact the JS chose which revelations to make public, perhaps according to what his flock needed (whether that was harsh rebuke, personal direction, or public notices of JS's prophetness). Maybe it’s something like the prodigal son story — Jesus was glad the one came back to thank him, but really worried more about the nine that didn’t, and what it meant for them. Whether it was sorrowful or harsh, Christ’s focus always seems to be on the ones who need help, rather than the ones who understand. The D&C certainly contains much harshness, but it also contains many passages of praise for the ones who understand. Maybe that’s due more to the fact the JS chose which revelations to make public, perhaps according to what his flock needed (whether that was harsh rebuke, personal direction, or public notices of JS’s prophetness).

]]> By: Michelle http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17277 Michelle Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17277 Besides, maybe Jesus did merely say you're welcome. But the author of the book needs to teach us a lesson, right? Besides, maybe Jesus did merely say you’re welcome. But the author of the book needs to teach us a lesson, right?

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17278 Adam Greenwood Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17278 Perhaps the grateful leper will find a greater pleasure in his thanks because now he realizes that his giving thanks wasn't inevitable. Others didn't bother doing it. Perhaps anger and disgust are not so foreign to Godhood as we think. Perhaps we should see Christ as the whole of many parts, who can condemn and praise out of the same mouth. Perhaps the grateful leper will find a greater pleasure in his thanks because now he realizes that his giving thanks wasn’t inevitable. Others didn’t bother doing it.

Perhaps anger and disgust are not so foreign to Godhood as we think. Perhaps we should see Christ as the whole of many parts, who can condemn and praise out of the same mouth.

]]> By: Gary Cooper http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17279 Gary Cooper Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17279 Kristine, Isn't the fundamental problem God has in trying to bring us to exaltation the fact that WE ARE ALL TO DARNED STUCK ON OURSELVES? None of us seems to be able to go as much as a day without at least a selfish, self-centered thought. On top of that, we like to all think that we are so much smarter and better and cuter than everyone else (especially if we have a little light and knowledge). The gratitude issue goes right to the heart of breaking out of the mortal dilemna; God is constantly trying to get us to see that: 1. We are really nothing without God, in fact, we're pretty ugly without Him 2. We are nothing without our brothers and sisters, especially the ones we dislike the most 3. We are intransigent, proud, deceitful, stiff-necked, and narcissistic, and that's just the members of the Church! 4. We simply cannot break out of this mold, without the Atonement, and to fully take hold of the power of Christ's Atonement we have to completely and totally acknowledge our reliance on God, our nothingness and sinfulness before Him, and our total dependence on Him for everything good and lasting and worthwhile in time and eternity. I've always loved this story, because it captures the difficulty, and hope, in my own life; am I content to keep asking God for favors, then go about my business, or am I ready to really commune with Him? Kristine,

Isn’t the fundamental problem God has in trying to bring us to exaltation the fact that WE ARE ALL TO DARNED STUCK ON OURSELVES? None of us seems to be able to go as much as a day without at least a selfish, self-centered thought. On top of that, we like to all think that we are so much smarter and better and cuter than everyone else (especially if we have a little light and knowledge). The gratitude issue goes right to the heart of breaking out of the mortal dilemna; God is constantly trying to get us to see that:

1. We are really nothing without God, in fact, we’re pretty ugly without Him

2. We are nothing without our brothers and sisters, especially the ones we dislike the most

3. We are intransigent, proud, deceitful, stiff-necked, and narcissistic, and that’s just the members of the Church!

4. We simply cannot break out of this mold, without the Atonement, and to fully take hold of the power of Christ’s Atonement we have to completely and totally acknowledge our reliance on God, our nothingness and sinfulness before Him, and our total dependence on Him for everything good and lasting and worthwhile in time and eternity.

I’ve always loved this story, because it captures the difficulty, and hope, in my own life; am I content to keep asking God for favors, then go about my business, or am I ready to really commune with Him?

]]> By: Kristine http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17280 Kristine Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17280 Gary, you are, of course, completely right, except that some of us really are smarter and better and cuter than everyone else ; ) Gary, you are, of course, completely right, except that some of us really are smarter and better and cuter than everyone else ; )

]]> By: Gary Cooper http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17281 Gary Cooper Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17281 Kristine, "...except that some of us really are smarter and better and cuter than everyone else". Yep, especially folks like me...(now if only my wife would agree, and my co-workers, and the people who contribute at T&S, and....) Kristine,

“…except that some of us really are smarter and better and cuter than everyone else”.

Yep, especially folks like me…(now if only my wife would agree, and my co-workers, and the people who contribute at T&S, and….)

]]> By: Stephen http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2004/03/more-family-night-fun-at-the-harris-house/#comment-17282 Stephen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=538#comment-17282 Reminds me of my daughter Rachel in primary. They showed a picture of Christ on the Cross and asked the audience "who is that" and she responded "That's Jesus in his underwear." Reminds me of my daughter Rachel in primary.

They showed a picture of Christ on the Cross and asked the audience “who is that” and she responded “That’s Jesus in his underwear.”

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